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Post by KiwiNeil on Feb 7, 2020 3:49:11 GMT
HB's usually come with a 15:1 ratio. Not great but workable. I won't change any of them. Tuning stability is never an issue with tuners, unless maybe on toys. Stretching strings, catching nut, string trees, vibrato system are the more likely causes.
My Epiphone also has 15:1 I think and it's fine. The HB tuners had a fair bit of 'slop' in one or two of them which was the main reason I changed them. Like you say though, a catching nut is often the issue I've discovered.
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Post by LeoThunder on Feb 7, 2020 4:10:56 GMT
HB's usually come with a 15:1 ratio. Not great but workable. I won't change any of them. Tuning stability is never an issue with tuners, unless maybe on toys. Stretching strings, catching nut, string trees, vibrato system are the more likely causes.
My Epiphone also has 15:1 I think and it's fine. The HB tuners had a fair bit of 'slop' in one or two of them which was the main reason I changed them. Like you say though, a catching nut is often the issue I've discovered.
"Slop"? Not sure what that is. Is it the natural wiggle room when changing direction? Or did they need tightening? That screw at the end of the thing (the bit you grab and turn) can do wonders.
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Post by KiwiNeil on Feb 7, 2020 4:28:52 GMT
"Slop"? Not sure what that is. Is it the natural wiggle room when changing direction? Or did they need tightening? That screw at the end of the thing (the bit you grab and turn) can do wonders.
Sorry, I should been more accurate with my choice of words! What I mean was that after turning the key it would not not turn the post that the string is wound around until the free-play had been taken up. The the sting would tighten just fine. But, if I went to make the same string more loose, I would again have to turn the key quite a bit before the post responded. One the guitar was in tune all was fine, but it was a bit irritating to not have the post respond to the movement of the key. I must admit that I didn't play around the little screw at the end of the key...perhaps that was the issue?
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Post by LeoThunder on Feb 7, 2020 9:00:44 GMT
Just a quick observation about wiggle room. I was tuning my bass up yesterday. It has those open gear vintage things on them with plenty of wiggle room in the worming but I always tune up to a note. If I've overshot my target note I always detune and approach the note again, never detune a bit to hit the note. I get more stability in tuning this way and wiggle room is no longer an issue. Yes, I was thinking that too. I think most of what people say about tuners is the expression of an impression of quality more than the observation of it. If something moves, we"feel" it's not right even when it is.
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Post by KiwiNeil on Feb 7, 2020 9:38:25 GMT
Indeed I too tune up, not down as does most people I imagine. Sometimes if I overshoot the mark when tuning, then I need to tune down, in order to tune up! This is when the problem with the tuners became apparent. Whatever the reason, $50 spent on a set of locking tuners fixed the problem and now tuning is simple and accurate and makes this instrument an absolute pleasure to play
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