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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 8:58:25 GMT
Digitech came up with a genious idea (idea) Trio Band Creator for guitarists! Either used for practicing, even recording and solo gigs. What a great sound comes out of this thing! I am seriously thinking to buy this soon! Digitech Trio Band Creator at ThomannBassists and Drummers may not be happy about this little genious pedal but guitarists will Im sure. Maybe Digitech might come up with a pedal for Bass players too.
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Post by JAC on Apr 22, 2015 21:30:28 GMT
Neat idea, however I am not convinced.
Maybe it is the sound quality of the recording on YouTube (or the fact that I am a bassist), but it just sounds hollow to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 11:19:57 GMT
I have mentioned in another thread that my wife wants to buy an acoustic guitar. She later said that she is willing to spend 1000 danish crown but that I should choose what I need most, so maybe its not going to be an acoustic after all. I am thinking about the Digitech Trio + the footswich that comes as a bundle on Thomann www.thomann.de/gb/digitech_trio_band_creator_bundle.htmI dont feel the need just now for an acoustic but would love to have the option of jamming with someone (ehm, or something). I cant find any one suitable in this locality to jam with and those two I know are into AC/DC and Heavy Metal which is not what Im after at this stage of my life. So it seems Trio is something many song writers like using for inspiration. I think this tool would help me on me sonic journey.
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Post by bikerboy94 on Sept 16, 2016 3:11:25 GMT
Very interesting.
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Post by DefJef on Sept 16, 2016 8:36:23 GMT
I have mentioned in another thread that my wife wants to buy an acoustic guitar. She later said that she is willing to spend 1000 danish crown but that I should choose what I need most, so maybe its not going to be an acoustic after all. I am thinking about the Digitech Trio + the footswich that comes as a bundle on Thomann www.thomann.de/gb/digitech_trio_band_creator_bundle.htmI dont feel the need just now for an acoustic but would love to have the option of jamming with someone (ehm, or something). I cant find any one suitable in this locality to jam with and those two I know are into AC/DC and Heavy Metal which is not what Im after at this stage of my life. So it seems Trio is something many song writers like using for inspiration. I think this tool would help me on me sonic journey. I like the look of this for quick composition ideas. I can never find a reliable and interpretive drummer so am usually reduced to drum loops and programming anyway. Heck, it might even teach me some bass lines I hadn't thought of. A lot of what I write tends to have odd time signature changes, throw in my writing partner's penchant for modulation on a regular basis and I'd be really interested to see what this pedal did. I'm going to check one out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 9:09:54 GMT
Im pondering seriously what to go for ... I need a 12" cab for my Bugera, I need 5" Monitors and I would love this Trio ... and not to forget I do need an acoustic guitar at some stage too ... jeez, so much need so little coin.
This pedal sure could help spark some ideas and as you say even improve my bass playing. The drum sound seems ok and could be recorded separately into DAW and then play guitar and bass on their own too. Not sure if I can plug this pedal straight into the audio interface (sure this should work).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 9:54:04 GMT
I dont think Beat Buddy has a bass. I trust in Digitech because the drums on my RP70 are very Hi-Fi ans sound great to my ear. Sure they need tweaking in the DAW afterwards but hey for me they sound great. The only issue was my RP70 had no drum fills. Trio has just that and more. Im sure the drums can stereo-ed in DAW by creating two drum lines and pan them. Im not planning to record the drums via an amp but into the audio interface of mine (U-Phoria UM2) I tried the Bugera into Kustom 12" and I was not impressed. The 8" Turbosound sounded way better (which was voiced for this particular amp/housing I would say). I guess the cab can wait. I think I will go with the Trio with the foot pedal. ... but January is far far away so might get other ideas until then
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Post by blablas on Sept 16, 2016 11:22:28 GMT
I dont think Beat Buddy has a bass. I've got a Beat Buddy Mini and it hasn't got a bass, luckily I'm the bass player. It's a great drummer in a small box, you get a choice between lot's of patterns and rhythms, very versatile and easy to use. I don't have and need the optional foot switch. The Beat Buddy Mini is also mono BTW.
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Post by DefJef on Sept 16, 2016 11:54:40 GMT
Just found this post on Gearslutz.com. It gives a very interesting analysis of the Beat Buddy versus the Trio. If you want to do what this guy wants to do then the Trio seems to be for you: "I had the full array of downloadable songs and editor, even the added Jazz Brush kit and patterns. Problem continues to be the so called "songs" are only two parts not three. The unit will play "songs" created by other users on other software; and I found that to be novel at first. Playing the exact riff to a known fav song is a hoot until you realize there is no drift or modulation from that riff and set tune. It just gets boring after the new wears off.
The patterns on the BeatBuddy despite the features of footswitch accents are still surreptitious "loop" in nature which I also find excruciatingly boring in jamming with machines. Yor just have to be too conscious of your feet and thinking about the drum changes to worry about actually playing well. Probably a hoot for strum players as they ponder the next chord change. So after the new wears off a little, as it does with all things, the BeatBuddy was too much "tap dancing" for me and this is a player who runs a huge pedalboard. It was too monotonous and too set.
I am pretty much a guitarist and things need to stay on that train for me, I have no wish or patience to create drum tracks on a DAW or add on and send them to the BeatBuddy. Music for me has to have a sense of spontaneity and improvisation or I just do not feel like I am creating or actually playing anything. Playing others songs can be a novel fun but if that is the say all end all of guitar I must have missed something, and ever so glad that I did.
When I got the Trio I was expecting too much at first, but then began to realize this puppy thinks and acts more like a human player. The trick is in the "teaching" of your songs parts (3), and getting to comprehend the technique to get more what you want in the way of a beat. It does not render the same exact pattern, technique on each of the three parts so you are not going to be able to make three very similar parts.
So it takes some time to understand how the unit will react. It changes the fill/roll on every repeat of the "part", more like a human drummer, until you tell it to move on to the next. It will do this in measure time.
It plays different sounding drum sounds on the various "genres". It plays more bass notes on slower and less on faster as to stay within a human feel. You can change the tempo or even both the "genre" and "style" it comes up with to your "teaching". It also green lights the ones that are of similar timing to fit your music. Most importantly the last song parts you teach the unit will remain intact with "power off" and any changes you made to the units patterns will also be remembered and played each time that part is selected.
The sound is perhaps not quite as good as the BeatBuddy but this is due in part that the Trio was designed to play guitar along with the drums & bass in headphones or through a guitar amp. It was perhaps not realized too high end minded in this first version of a technology that promises to be as interesting as high end amp modeling when it arrived.
You can get inventive on the Trio, as I do not care to play my guitar "through" it. I have just too many pedals and stacking issues to worry about running my signal through the Trio. Soooo, I use a Radial A/B/Y to split my signal to the Trio for "teaching" (clean signal) and the other on to my normal chain flow. Most get creative w the Trio's output and pipe the headphone 3.5mm stereo outs into a mixer to get a fuller sound and space. I also use a rack BBE on mine to bring out the low end punch and clarity and the cymbal crispness.
So for me loving to get creative and improvise things the Trio is a very nice addition to the arsenal of fun. Don't get me wrong I love playing to something much more than nothing and these two drum units are the new state of the art right now. You might find either to be just what you were looking for. Between the two I have to nod to the Trio as more musically useful for me."
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Post by DefJef on Sept 16, 2016 11:58:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 13:08:08 GMT
Lets say I HATE LOOPS! I have a good sounding drum machine on RP70 but its looping all the time the same. I think Trio is the way to go for me. I mean, you create 3 song parts and each will have different bass and drum and even different fills, how great is that! I have found a page where folks search for players but nothing in my area and most search for experienced players not a 40 year old dude with a few chord progressions up his sleeve and no theory knowledge. This is Scandinavia mind you, all must be perfect, then you join a band With a small kid now, I dont think I can find much time to rehearse with folks (travel would take too much time). Trio would be always there ready for my free time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 14:17:57 GMT
and musicians looking to hook up. Oh, almost forgot to mention; Im already in a band called "Bentonite" Im a monogomist, trully
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