DefJef
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Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Jan 3, 2019 14:29:29 GMT
Just did a dangerous thing...browsed the second hand sites! And bought this: And this: For £75 all in. OK so it may baffle the heck out of me but I've met drummers who have done that too. I'm hoping that it shouldn't struggle with odd time signatures as long as they don't just turn up at random. It seems to be able to hold 36 songs each with three parts to them so that should be useful. OK, so it may all be a bit too much to be stamping on live along with all the other things I need to stamp on and remember, but maybe someone else can do that?! It should certainly be nice to compose with and, although it doesn't have midi out, it does have a stereo out so I can record the output to my DAW and even edit it within there. I quite like working that way anyway rather than with midi, which often gives me too many choices and so I get bogged down. Maybe after that sketch has been created the whole drum track can be re-input using midi and a different drum kit. Either way, I'm hoping it meets my needs. Arriving next week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 14:42:25 GMT
You will have lots of fun with that one! Will take time to get to know it all but fun nonetheless! This one would be too much for my personality which simply needs beats that can offer various time sigs as my Casio key can do. Never know what the time sig is but I certainly have found a few usable beats in the World section to play my original Samsara riff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 15:23:51 GMT
Yes these Digitech gadgets seem to have only 3/4 and 4/4 which suits the modern times of flat music making!
Also that strumming should be simple chiording rather than some fancy stuff as these gadgets can get easily lost in transaltion. I never tried this one and only worked on the Digitech Trio (awesome bass lines there) but I assume it works on the same principle. Since this one is only drums it should be easier to get the right beat.
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Post by salteedog on Jan 3, 2019 15:36:26 GMT
Nice one. Seems like a good deal. Not dissimilar to the Trio in many respects. (Same general layout and footpedal). I expect you'll find it useful as a composing tool but not so much on stage. I wonder how you can convert audio to midi - I suppose there is a DAW VST for that somewhere.
In any case the drums should sound reasonably good into the acoustic or clean channel of the Katana if you dont have a PA or FRFR handy.
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DefJef
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Post by DefJef on Jan 3, 2019 22:59:06 GMT
Yeah audio to midi must be do-able these days salteedog although you would presumably have to assign each part of the kit to a different VST drum otherwise it would just become a lot of rattling (I like rattling though). I found this, which I think a certain French drummer used to use. Only testing it will tell me if it can translate my strums into drums but, after tonight's rehearsal, where, after a lot of poking at a mate's new Roland keyboard in search of shakers, we ended up deciding to have me looping a delayed muted strum to get polyrhythms, I'll be really pleased if it could have handled that with ease. I could run it into my stereo Blackstar. Looks like you can play it slowly and then speed up to the tempo needed but I'd be happier if it will work at the correct tempo in the first place. I get 14 days if I want to return it so that gives me some time for a bit of intense delving.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 23:09:30 GMT
which I think a certain French drummer used to use. Who would that be I wonder
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Post by salteedog on Jan 3, 2019 23:29:44 GMT
75 quid is a great deal on the Sdrum given what they are selling for new.
Anyway - I'm racking my brains trying to think of French drummers. Are there any?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 7:46:34 GMT
Anyway - I'm racking my brains trying to think of French drummers. Are there any? I think defjef was talking about my ex-drummer ... unless he knows another french drummer that used that midi thing I never knew how to open in my computer!
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Post by salteedog on Jan 4, 2019 11:12:52 GMT
Midi can be handy. Although I haven't done so much recently, in the past I've built tracks as follows.
- Use a phone app to build a multi track song - drums, keys and bass using chord progressions (just programming chords) - Export the midi from that into Reaper. - Load that midi to separate tracks with nicer or more unique sounding synths or pads. - That now is the basic backing track to overlay guitar and bass and whatever (non quantized/non midi) stuff I want.
I like music which is a mix of the robotic, the seemingly random and the organic. (Music is a funny sport - you're expected to play the same thing identically every time when playing an instrument, but at the same time it's really more interesting if you don't play it identically every time. I like to delegate the 'tidy' to the robots and leave it to myself to handle the 'messy').
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DefJef
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Post by DefJef on Jan 4, 2019 11:26:59 GMT
Anyway - I'm racking my brains trying to think of French drummers. Are there any? I think defjef was talking about my ex-drummer ... unless he knows another french drummer that used that midi thing I never knew how to open in my computer! That's the one. I opened one of them once and quickly shut it again.
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DefJef
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Post by DefJef on Jan 4, 2019 11:37:09 GMT
Midi can be handy. Although I haven't done so much recently, in the past I've built tracks as follows. - Use a phone app to build a multi track song - drums, keys and bass using chord progressions (just programming chords) - Export the midi from that into Reaper. - Load that midi to separate tracks with nicer or more unique sounding synths or pads. - That now is the basic backing track to overlay guitar and bass and whatever (non quantized/non midi) stuff I want. I like music which is a mix of the robotic, the seemingly random and the organic. (Music is a funny sport - you're expected to play the same thing identically every time when playing an instrument, but at the same time it's really more interesting if you don't play it identically every time. I like to delegate the 'tidy' to the robots and leave it to myself to handle the 'messy'). Your method sounds really constructive but I think you may have lost me at 'phone app'. Sadly, I'm the sort of guy who settles down to listen to Professor Brian Cox explain the wonders of the universe and realise that, somewhere during the first five minutes, I have spent several of them humming a tune in my head and Brian's lovely explanations have left me far behind. After a further five minutes I realise the ship's left without me. It happened last night too, as my bandmate explained all the advantages of his new Roland keyboard in our live set. I know he mentioned 'bit rates', 'sequences', 'pads' and 'modulating filters', and he definitely mentioned several different piano samples at different distances, but I know I was thinking about my SDrum pedal arriving and was coming up with some new lyrics about frozen rivers. I'm a waste of space! However, I may come in handy when we need to defeat the robots. My lack of understanding of the most basic piece of silicon will eventually melt their circuits in frustration.
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Post by salteedog on Jan 4, 2019 11:59:28 GMT
Programming midi* would drive anyone batty. I'm always on the look-out for short-cuts. I get bored tweaking the details. If I was a recording artist I'd lay down the demos and hand them to a producer to finish them off and call me when done.
* except for bass. Bass is perfect with midi as it's generally just one note at a time. Bass needs to be pretty much on the beat too ..more or less, the point being that tidy bass is usually good bass.
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