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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 19:31:49 GMT
That I didn't try. Will do so when I get back home tonight. Good call.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 19:58:45 GMT
Do I plug into the send or return?
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Post by salteedog on Mar 15, 2019 21:05:45 GMT
Plug into the return.
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Post by salteedog on Mar 15, 2019 21:12:02 GMT
Strange to think that switching from clean to drive channels would have broken anything. I presume you had used the drive channel before?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 9:20:32 GMT
Into the return. 'Input' sends the signal to the pre amp. 'Send' sends the signal from the pre amp. You want to bypass all of that and go straight in to the 'return' which returns the signal to the power amp. Good news; into Return it sounds very loud and the dynamics is still there. Even if i crank my Lunar Drive I dont get into distortion as these are 6L6. BTW, me swapping in and out the Pre-tubes did make a change. I now still have the new JJ pre tubes but they sound good now. Must be me swapping their places around or there mayve was a rusty connection or a bad connection in the tube socket which was removed during all this pulling out of tubes. My bad for not isolating the actuall tube that makes the problem. Will just change them in time as the pre's dont cost that much. Maybe next time get the TAD as the old ones were in this amp for 10 years (old owner stated). The JJ tubes cheap and maybe cheap for a reason = they dont last long. or I've got just one that has an issue. Thanks lads for all the help!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 9:22:19 GMT
Strange to think that switching from clean to drive channels would have broken anything. I presume you had used the drive channel before? I did use the drive channel before but never with the footswitch. The jack could have maybe caused a short inside the socket somehow, maybe, me assuming, ... but now the issue seems to be fixed and I will need to get some new Pre-tubes soon.
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Post by salteedog on Mar 16, 2019 9:45:29 GMT
Thats good news. You're back on track again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 11:22:46 GMT
Thats good news. You're back on track again. Just played both my Tele and Strat for a while and one thing sure is still present; notes go into overdrive much sooner than Im used to so I need to back on the OD drive knob somewhat. This certainly means one or two of the JJ pre-tubes need replacing as they used to be much creamier in the drive mode. Strange really; I have calculated apporx playing 500 hours since 07.07.2018 which is not much as tubes can live longer than that. We talk about rather low volume at home! Or!!! Some of my patch cables are introducing distortion? blablas is this possible, cables distorting the tone? Im not fiddling with my cables , the pedal board is on one spot all the time and I use the fantastic silent HB ISO2 power supply so this should not be the problem (less power can make drive pedals go sooner into distortion, less headroom).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 11:26:50 GMT
Just got a reply from Thomann (I asked the yesterday and they already replied today)
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Post by DefJef on Mar 16, 2019 11:44:44 GMT
Into the return. 'Input' sends the signal to the pre amp. 'Send' sends the signal from the pre amp. You want to bypass all of that and go straight in to the 'return' which returns the signal to the power amp. Good news; into Return it sounds very loud and the dynamics is still there. Even if i crank my Lunar Drive I dont get into distortion as these are 6L6. BTW, me swapping in and out the Pre-tubes did make a change. I now still have the new JJ pre tubes but they sound good now. Must be me swapping their places around or there mayve was a rusty connection or a bad connection in the tube socket which was removed during all this pulling out of tubes. My bad for not isolating the actuall tube that makes the problem. Will just change them in time as the pre's dont cost that much. Maybe next time get the TAD as the old ones were in this amp for 10 years (old owner stated). The JJ tubes cheap and maybe cheap for a reason = they dont last long. or I've got just one that has an issue. Thanks lads for all the help! When you plug into the return, just the master volume knob should still work so no need to be loud. You are, of course, bypassing any of the EQ section and all those volume knobs so it could certainly sound brighter than you are used to. One other thing that would be worth doing if you have another amp (I can't remember now how many amps you have) is to play into the V55's pre amp and then come out of the send socket and INTO the return of another amp to see how that sounds. Glad you're getting there though. Pity you hadn't videoed all this BEFORE Thomann offered to help! Strange the speaker's soldered in, mine isn't. Maybe the previous owner was extra careful?
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Post by DefJef on Mar 16, 2019 11:52:26 GMT
Actually, all this bypassing of pre amps and power amps idea should be a gold mine for a tone hunter like you Che. With two combo amps that both have effects loops you can really chop and change, using the pre of one into the power of the other and vice versa, plus switching speaker connections, plus just using the power stages of both and using pedals for eq, overdrive and reverb etc. That would keep you in tones for months. I love having my Champ 25SE next to my Bugera V22. They are like Siamese twins. They constantly have cables attached to each other to share speakers and amp stages. It looks like a hospital ward in my living room. Anyone would think they shared the same heart or something. And, as if that wasn't enough, I can get busy with stereo effects too. They both have very different voicings, the Fender always having more depth AND and a more satisfying reverb than the Bugera, so stereo effects that pan or ping pong take on interesting and unexpected dimensions. I've not even got into trying to mic them too! Imagine the fun I could have with each amp having its own track. Stereo heaven .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 14:01:11 GMT
Nope! I can't use ANY knobs when in Return! NONE AT ALL! I have tested Master on Zero and still the amp is as loud if the Master is on full! Meaning none of the knobs work if Im in Return on this OLD Bugera version (blue light, non-infinium). The nicest tone is into the preamp section by far! I really need those pre-tubes work their magic! I only have this Bugera V55 and that little Harley Benton CG15. 1 1/2 amps really Now you see why Im stressing to get another SS amp to get another tone and another amp in case my Bug stops working one day.
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Post by blablas on Mar 16, 2019 14:13:53 GMT
Or!!! Some of my patch cables are introducing distortion? blablas is this possible, cables distorting the tone? Im not fiddling with my cables , the pedal board is on one spot all the time and I use the fantastic silent HB ISO2 power supply so this should not be the problem (less power can make drive pedals go sooner into distortion, less headroom). Could very well be the patch cables, my problems in the past started about the same way, slight distortion which slowly got worse, a temporary fix was wobble them around a bit until it was gone again. But after a few days, sometimes weeks, it came back again. That was the reason I replaced them all with EBS-gold cables and until now I've not experienced these issues. Just try the instrument cable directly in the overdrive that goes directly to the amp, if it sounds as 'ye olde' it almost certainly are the patch cables.
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