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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 21:12:08 GMT
I dont know defjef's story or what you are refering to but I actually owned a guitar with Blackwood so not sure what you mean with "slag every .... that aint on YOUR guitar ". I only EVER share my personal experience with that kind of fretboard material. I ain't going to argue with you, OK you experience with blackwood wasn't good. But rosacer, jatoba gets a bashing from you boys. All you read is my blah blah is superb etc etc. This forum is starting to be unlesss you agree with everything said by the certain few you know nothing. Fair play if that's how you want it. Whats going on here? Seem like you have been harboring some resentment towards me and defjef. Yes indeed, my blah blah is superb to my ear. Your blah blah is superb to yours. Not sure what the issue here is? Surelly noting to do with my post about beer drinking cultures I hope Those Jatoba cracks we have seen are worrying me for sure. Roseacer looks ugly and feels like paper to me. Blackwood I dont trust anymore Full Stop. Love Ebony and Lacquered Maple and Rosewood too. Have nothing against you or anyone else liking other types of wood, or pups, or amps or what ever. Any way seems to me that you have been harboring these feeling for a while now and I thank you for having courage to share it with us. I just want you to know that I dont have issues with people making choices that I disagree with. Its their life and their money. All I want is, all of us to share our own experience and our own views on things based on our experience. I dont desire to be in a group of utterly like minded folks. There would be no fun in that. DefJef and I disagree on so many music related things but still we managed to create a few songs together What ever I have said to make you angry or hurt I do appologise for that. I can even stop mentioning Blackwood on this forum or else. It really aint that important at the end Peace bro!
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Post by DefJef on Apr 16, 2019 22:04:37 GMT
Didn't you have loose frets or something on that JA60 roberto . Was it the same Blackwood problem @chedapapa had? He didn't have a lot of room for intonation adjustment on the bridge saddles. **** me you and Che want to slag every fretboard that ain't on your guitars! Odd response to a non-slagging blindwilly3fingers . It's meant to be a question. I do remember roberto having concerns about the softness of Blackwood and also experiencing fret problems. Is that not the case? My memory may be fading. It sounds as though he liked it eventually so that a good result for his Blackwood versus @chedapapa's The other fretboard I can remember being horrified by was a photo of a Jatoba one that I considered totally unacceptable because of terrible cracking and what appeared to be planing breakouts and/or terrible dot marker inlays. I wouldn't want that on my guitar and would certainly send that back as suitable for a deko. Other Jatoba photos I can remember looking very nice. Otherwise I can't remember not liking a fretboard except for my dislike of mother of plastic inlays under my fingers. That's a genuine dislike which I do try to avoid. They are on my Revelation and I get by but I'd prefer it to not have them. Do I not like Roseacer or Blackwood? I've never had one that I know of, unless my MS-60 VW sneakily has it. I neither like nor dislike that. It's a bit of a pale and non descript brown.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Apr 16, 2019 22:16:58 GMT
I ain't going to argue with you, OK you experience with blackwood wasn't good. But rosacer, jatoba gets a bashing from you boys. All you read is my blah blah is superb etc etc. This forum is starting to be unlesss you agree with everything said by the certain few you know nothing. Fair play if that's how you want it. Whats going on here? Seem like you have been harboring some resentment towards me and defjef. Yes indeed, my blah blah is superb to my ear. Your blah blah is superb to yours. Not sure what the issue here is? Surelly noting to do with my post about beer drinking cultures I hope Those Jatoba cracks we have seen are worrying me for sure. Roseacer looks ugly and feels like paper to me. Blackwood I dont trust anymore Full Stop. Love Ebony and Lacquered Maple and Rosewood too. Have nothing against you or anyone else liking other types of wood, or pups, or amps or what ever. Any way seems to me that you have been harboring these feeling for a while now and I thank you for having courage to share it with us. I just want you to know that I dont have issues with people making choices that I disagree with. Its their life and their money. All I want is, all of us to share our own experience and our own views on things based on our experience. I dont desire to be in a group of utterly like minded folks. There would be no fun in that. DefJef and I disagree on so many music related things but still we managed to create a few songs together What ever I have said to make you angry or hurt I do appologise for that. I can even stop mentioning Blackwood on this forum or else. It really aint that important at the end Peace bro! I'm not harbouring any resentment to anybody on here. To be perfectly honest nobody on here is that important to me, I certainly don't harbour any ill feelings or resentment to any other poster. The beer drinking post is not an issue I can take stereotyping. I know how vastly wrong most stereotyping is. I don't want to be part of a like minded group either not my scene. And I certainly wouldn't force my opinion on anyone else. I like yourself give my honest opinions on most things. I will tell you if something is crap. I don't think roswell pups are the greatest but they are not downright crap. What as you say is good to your perfect ears may not be so good for my less than perfect ears. At the end of the day you do what's good for you and I'll do what's good for me. I thank you for the banter and good craics we've enjoyed and wish you good luck for the future.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Apr 16, 2019 22:28:19 GMT
He didn't have a lot of room for intonation adjustment on the bridge saddles. **** me you and Che want to slag every fretboard that ain't on your guitars! Odd response to a non-slagging blindwilly3fingers . It's meant to be a question. I do remember roberto having concerns about the softness of Blackwood and also experiencing fret problems. Is that not the case? My memory may be fading. The other fretboard I can remember being horrified by was a photo of a Jatoba one that I considered totally unacceptable because of terrible cracking and what appeared to be planing breakouts and/or terrible dot marker inlays. I wouldn't want that on my guitar and would certainly send that back as suitable for a deko. Other Jatoba photos I can remember looking very nice. Otherwise I can't remember not liking a fretboard except for my dislike of mother of plastic inlays under my fingers. That's a genuine dislike which I do try to avoid. They are on my Revelation and I get by but I'd prefer it to not have them. Do I not like Roseacer or Blackwood? I've never had one that I know of, unless my MS-60 VW sneakily has it. I neither like nor dislike that. It's a bit of a pale and non descript brown. The jatoba monstrosity I believe you called it. Your opinion planing break out, my opinion shakes damage (not got the time or want to go into all the various forms of shakes and their causes) and you can read up on timber defects lots available I should think. Good luck with fan fanifone project. Not that you would acknowledge it but strip it back to barewood, much more chance of the new finish being how you want it. And I don't need to tell you don't apply the coats of paint too thick. Thank you for the sensible information and good luck for the future.
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Post by DefJef on Apr 16, 2019 22:41:45 GMT
That's the one blindwilly3fingers . I found the photo. Yep, looks like shake. Another photo made it look like filling may be possible but in this one it looked pretty atrocious and unacceptable and back it would go. Oh that Fano project, yes it's waiting for warmer weather for paint drying to really work this time. The back's stripped back to, well what? Maybe mahogany but it seems to be a kind of veneer. The front is a much paler stuff, possibly plywood. I've taken it down to a reasonable strip back. Think I'll leave the back as is with just a clear lacquer. I quite like it. The front, well, if Halfords acrylic really refuses to dry then my desire for an olive green guitar will probably have to go out the window. I can't bear the thought of stripping it another time although thinners did actually allow me to wipe most of the last goop off. I will go for thinner coats and longer between them too next time. Here's how my fingers looked after nearly finishing stripping the back.
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 17, 2019 0:11:55 GMT
Didn't you have loose frets or something on that JA60 roberto . Was it the same Blackwood problem @chedapapa had? He didn't have a lot of room for intonation adjustment on the bridge saddles. I wonder how that should be a problem with a bridge commonly used on Les Pauls and others. Either it was badly positioned (not too likely) or bass strings were put on the guitar
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Post by roberto on Apr 17, 2019 5:45:56 GMT
He didn't have a lot of room for intonation adjustment on the bridge saddles. I wonder how that should be a problem with a bridge commonly used on Les Pauls and others. Either it was badly positioned (not too likely) or bass strings were put on the guitar The problem of the bridge in JA60 production i suppose is relative to the bad position of the bridge itself, maybe only the positioning of the screws. I think it's simple to risolve but Thomann is not interested to fix this problem. About basswood ... for me basswood wood it's not a problem, I thinks that the basswood can be a good wood for guitars, not the best, but good enough to build nice guitar:this is my personal opinion. About the rosacer: I love the cheap wood in my HB Tele kit but i don't love to much the freatboard wood of the SC Custom Honey Flame (that now seems out of production) ... thomann site declares Jatoba wood for the freatboard of these new SC custom ... I suppose that mine is rosacear ... But i really don't know ..
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 17, 2019 6:33:33 GMT
I wonder how that should be a problem with a bridge commonly used on Les Pauls and others. Either it was badly positioned (not too likely) or bass strings were put on the guitar The problem of the bridge in JA60 production i suppose is relative to the bad position of the bridge itself, maybe only the positioning of the screws. I think it's simple to risolve but Thomann is not interested to fix this problem. About basswood ... for me basswood wood it's not a problem, I thinks that the basswood can be a good wood for guitars, not the best, but good enough to build nice guitar:this is my personal opinion. About the rosacer: I love the cheap wood in my HB Tele kit but i don't love to much the freatboard wood of the SC Custom Honey Flame (that now seems out of production) ... thomann site declares Jatoba wood for the freatboard of these new SC custom ... I suppose that mine is rosacear ... But i really don't know .. If the bridge was mounted at a wrong position, it is an obvious return ground but that has to be checked immediately. I always do a set-up in the first two days so I see where the saddles end up and I know I would need room on either side if I were to change the string gauge. I suppose I have been lucky enough with my SC-450 Plus, as I could lower the action and put 11s on without running out of adjustment space. I had roseacer on my SC-Custom too. It was ok, not particularly interesting to look at (black…), but fine. Jatoba should show more wood grain. I am envious of the new ebony on the Fusion models. I have seen some which looked wonderful. I really like that non-black ebony variant. People say basswood is light (that's a good thing), but soft which makes it easier to dent and could possibly bring issues with the screws of a floating bridge after a lot of floating. If Ibanez use it for their AZ series, it cannot be bad. All my basswood guitars sound good so whoever thinks wood plays a significant role should go for it.
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Post by roberto on Apr 17, 2019 7:55:47 GMT
The problem of the bridge in JA60 production i suppose is relative to the bad position of the bridge itself, maybe only the positioning of the screws. I think it's simple to risolve but Thomann is not interested to fix this problem. About basswood ... for me basswood wood it's not a problem, I thinks that the basswood can be a good wood for guitars, not the best, but good enough to build nice guitar:this is my personal opinion. About the rosacer: I love the cheap wood in my HB Tele kit but i don't love to much the freatboard wood of the SC Custom Honey Flame (that now seems out of production) ... thomann site declares Jatoba wood for the freatboard of these new SC custom ... I suppose that mine is rosacear ... But i really don't know .. If the bridge was mounted at a wrong position, it is an obvious return ground but that has to be checked immediately. I always do a set-up in the first two days so I see where the saddles end up and I know I would need room on either side if I were to change the string gauge. I suppose I have been lucky enough with my SC-450 Plus, as I could lower the action and put 11s on without running out of adjustment space. I had roseacer on my SC-Custom too. It was ok, not particularly interesting to look at (black…), but fine. Jatoba should show more wood grain. I am envious of the new ebony on the Fusion models. I have seen some which looked wonderful. I really like that non-black ebony variant. People say basswood is light (that's a good thing), but soft which makes it easier to dent and could possibly bring issues with the screws of a floating bridge after a lot of floating. If Ibanez use it for their AZ series, it cannot be bad. All my basswood guitars sound good so whoever thinks wood plays a significant role should go for it. Yes Leo, I think the same,
I give to all friends some information on the delivery of my package. I ordered the package on Sunday and at 8.00 am on Monday it was already leaving. I live in the countryside not too far from Rome but my address does not appear on the maps but I have the UPS couriers phone numbers and I always phone a few hours before delivery. Before I called the courier and at 12.30 I will receive the package.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 8:07:15 GMT
Whats going on here? Seem like you have been harboring some resentment towards me and defjef. Yes indeed, my blah blah is superb to my ear. Your blah blah is superb to yours. Not sure what the issue here is? Surelly noting to do with my post about beer drinking cultures I hope Those Jatoba cracks we have seen are worrying me for sure. Roseacer looks ugly and feels like paper to me. Blackwood I dont trust anymore Full Stop. Love Ebony and Lacquered Maple and Rosewood too. Have nothing against you or anyone else liking other types of wood, or pups, or amps or what ever. Any way seems to me that you have been harboring these feeling for a while now and I thank you for having courage to share it with us. I just want you to know that I dont have issues with people making choices that I disagree with. Its their life and their money. All I want is, all of us to share our own experience and our own views on things based on our experience. I dont desire to be in a group of utterly like minded folks. There would be no fun in that. DefJef and I disagree on so many music related things but still we managed to create a few songs together What ever I have said to make you angry or hurt I do appologise for that. I can even stop mentioning Blackwood on this forum or else. It really aint that important at the end Peace bro! I'm not harbouring any resentment to anybody on here. To be perfectly honest nobody on here is that important to me, I certainly don't harbour any ill feelings or resentment to any other poster. The beer drinking post is not an issue I can take stereotyping. I know how vastly wrong most stereotyping is. I don't want to be part of a like minded group either not my scene. And I certainly wouldn't force my opinion on anyone else. I like yourself give my honest opinions on most things. I will tell you if something is crap. I don't think roswell pups are the greatest but they are not downright crap. What as you say is good to your perfect ears may not be so good for my less than perfect ears. At the end of the day you do what's good for you and I'll do what's good for me. I thank you for the banter and good craics we've enjoyed and wish you good luck for the future. Im actually glad you mention all this and I think you are right; I did start developing aversion of sorts towards HB after they started using Blackwood and Roseacer on many models I wanted to get. Also not happy with Roswell pickups at all, which means I need to add extra to get some other pups (extra cost). I think we could write me off as an old school HB player when guitars had better QC, had Rosewood and rather good sounding Wilkinson pups (especially the P90s). Call me nostalgic. But one thing your post did make clear to me is how I might sound to new members just getting into HB! My posts might not be much encouraging at all. Imagine you come to a forum and say "hey I hear those Roswell pups or Blackwood fretboards are great" and then I come in with STORM BTW; Im also trying to cut on my obsesion with gear and this forum certainly is not helping Am I really really really enjoying being on this forum as of late? No, not really if Im to be honest. I see me using it as an escape tool from my life problems and not dealing with those. Running away into gear and stuff grea and music related (and we dont even collaborate anymore , the one thing that I found very enjoyable here in the first place). I think its time to retreat , and leave this Club to new members with fresh and revolutionary ideas so it can grow, rather than being put down all the time by old bitter members of the Wilkinson Era Wish you all the best and lots of fun, and those who have me on Facebook or Soundcloud, we can stay in touch. Take care you all!
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 17, 2019 8:41:09 GMT
I give to all friends some information on the delivery of my package. I ordered the package on Sunday and at 8.00 am on Monday it was already leaving. I live in the countryside not too far from Rome but my address does not appear on the maps but I have the UPS couriers phone numbers and I always phone a few hours before delivery. Before I called the courier and at 12.30 I will receive the package.
I placed my order on Monday noon and it was marked as sent on the Tuesday morning. Then the DHL process is running as ever and I'll have it sometime today. Tracking says the parcel was loaded into the delivery vehicle so unless there is an earthquake when crossing the bridge and it falls into the river, I should be doing some quality control work later on
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