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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 22, 2019 8:51:24 GMT
A treble bleed, in any of the three variants exposed in the video above, is shorted when the volume pot is on its maximum value and can therefore have no effect. It will compensate for some of the alteration which occurs when the volume is lowered. It does that by placing a capacitance in parallel to that part of the volume pot which comes in series with the pick-up before the output signal, essentially shorting it for the high frequencies. I actually wonder how the "simple" variant works at all, as I feel it should drastically alter the behaviour of the volume pot itself. If the sound at maximum volume is not bright enough, something else needs to be done. I have already said scrub the treble bleed, I made a suggestion to try to help the fellow. In future I will refer anyone who has a question to you.
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Post by roberto on Jun 22, 2019 9:10:46 GMT
In the chain of the sound also the amp it's important to define the tone, so it's good to test the PU with 2 or 3 amps. For example the Roswell LAF are not bad PU but they needs treble: I give treble sound with the high damping of reverb or with EQ. With amps and FXs and EQ you can change the sound of your PU.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 22, 2019 9:15:43 GMT
A treble bleed, in any of the three variants exposed in the video above, is shorted when the volume pot is on its maximum value and can therefore have no effect. It will compensate for some of the alteration which occurs when the volume is lowered. It does that by placing a capacitance in parallel to that part of the volume pot which comes in series with the pick-up before the output signal, essentially shorting it for the high frequencies. I actually wonder how the "simple" variant works at all, as I feel it should drastically alter the behaviour of the volume pot itself. If the sound at maximum volume is not bright enough, something else needs to be done. I have already said scrub the treble bleed, I made a suggestion to try to help the fellow. In future I will refer anyone who has a question to you. If you are going to get all sour about people discussing things aside of your contributions, you might as well get out.
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Post by DefJef on Jun 23, 2019 10:15:58 GMT
hi all I have 7 HB, and half of them have treble bleed installed. With Capa and resistor in parallel. It clearly depends on the PUs I installed: I need a TB or not. I use capa from 120pF to 680 pF, and resistor from 120K to 330K. Overall a clearer tone, and when inccreasing the vol pot, a "punchier" sound. If the cap & resist values are too much, then you will have a too much trebly tone, and the vol pot will give you the feeling not to be enough progressive, too much agressive... if you see what I mean. So as usual whith tone, only very general rules, and need to test, taste and feel ! Thanks for this trb. Really good stuff to know. I should probably do more of these experiments but I tend to be easily distracted when I pick up a guitar and before long I've forgotten I was trying to fix a fault with it.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 23, 2019 11:09:31 GMT
I have removed a couple of my posts from this thread. Firstly I hope Kaplow got the result he wanted and let's us know what he did and if it worked. Secondly my apologies if I offended or caused anyone upset that was not my intention. Anyone who read those posts may have got the wrong idea about the forum and myself. I have no excuse for a couple remarks I made to DefJef. Sometimes things get taken out of context and can appear not how they were meant when they are in text form. I can be guilty of getting the wrong end of the stick. LeoThunder and myelf have had a couple of minor spats in the past, I am not one to hold a grudge and these are forgotten as far as I am concerned. Im sure we will squabble again in the future 😁
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 23, 2019 12:15:48 GMT
hi all I have 7 HB, and half of them have treble bleed installed. With Capa and resistor in parallel. It clearly depends on the PUs I installed: I need a TB or not. I use capa from 120pF to 680 pF, and resistor from 120K to 330K. Overall a clearer tone, and when inccreasing the vol pot, a "punchier" sound. If the cap & resist values are too much, then you will have a too much trebly tone, and the vol pot will give you the feeling not to be enough progressive, too much agressive... if you see what I mean. So as usual whith tone, only very general rules, and need to test, taste and feel ! Thanks for this trb . Really good stuff to know. I should probably do more of these experiments but I tend to be easily distracted when I pick up a guitar and before long I've forgotten I was trying to fix a fault with it. I am looking forward to reading about the results. Ever since I read how much sound can be affected by this rather simple fine tuning of cheap components, I have felt that replacing pick-ups was a last resort measure that ought to be avoided.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 23, 2019 12:17:35 GMT
I have removed a couple of my posts from this thread. Firstly I hope Kaplow got the result he wanted and let's us know what he did and if it worked. Secondly my apologies if I offended or caused anyone upset that was not my intention. Anyone who read those posts may have got the wrong idea about the forum and myself. I have no excuse for a couple remarks I made to DefJef . Sometimes things get taken out of context and can appear not how they were meant when they are in text form. I can be guilty of getting the wrong end of the stick. LeoThunder and myelf have had a couple of minor spats in the past, I am not one to hold a grudge and these are forgotten as far as I am concerned. Im sure we will squabble again in the future 😁 I don't remember former occurrences so it will most likely happen again. That's what you get when an ape and a lion are allowed in a guitar forum, I suppose…
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Post by DefJef on Jun 23, 2019 13:46:41 GMT
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 23, 2019 14:26:55 GMT
Don't go all lovey dovey on me LeoThunder, you wouldn't want me inviting you over here to Skull Island for a jam 🦍
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Post by Kaplow on Jun 24, 2019 18:19:51 GMT
A big thanks to everyone here! To answer a few questions from up above. 1) My PRS is much brighter than the Harley Benton regardless of the volume. Also, I play through an Orange amp if that means anything. 2) 50s wiring looks very interesting. I'd like to try that in the next few months! 3) The treble bleed mod works great! It only took about 20 mins to install from start to finish. It's SO much brighter. I've also realized that I usually play at about 50% volume. I'm just flabbergasted at how much it changed the tone! Hopefully I can get a before and after video put together. This is the kit that I ended up using. I went series (Kinman) instead of parallel (Duncan). To be fair, both styles sounded much better than stock. Amazon Treble Bleed KitThanks again blindwilly3fingers , LeoThunder , DefJef , and trb !
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 24, 2019 18:27:42 GMT
Glad it worked out for you Kaplow 👍
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Post by Kaplow on Jun 24, 2019 18:39:42 GMT
DefJef. This is a good question. I play at 50% because I feel like gives me more control both ways. If I want to get louder during a riff, I can do that on the fly. Then I go back to my normal volume at 50%.
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