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Post by lespaulmoreray on Jun 30, 2019 12:16:31 GMT
please no more pics, just specs....thanks a lot
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 30, 2019 12:24:49 GMT
I see different saddles but the rest of the bridge, including the block, looks identical to me: The modern saddles of the ST-20 look like a better choice in that the string is guided and therefore not as likely to move laterally, which would of course affect tuning. So much for the "vintage" is better nonsense. Of course, we may question the quality of the metal of the saddles and suspect a disparity in sustain, tone or even longevity between models. This 10€ bridge (shipped) on ebay is likely just what we get in the ST-20: And here are the vintage saddles for 3.29€: And since I feel like bashing vintage stupidity, I'll also remark that the ST-62 boasts "vintage" staggered pole pieces on the pick-ups together with a very flat fret radius, making the flat pick-ups of the ST-20 the nonsense-free variant. Staggered pole pieces were of course designed to follow the string height on an early 7.25" radius.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 30, 2019 12:33:18 GMT
i’m trying to justify buying the 20 vs the 62. i know the 62 is good but not much specific info on the 20’s. i was hoping to find someone that owned a 20 and a 62 for comparison to give exact specs. i’ll be paying 50 euro in shipping so trying to recoup some of that. The real differences in specs are in the pick-ups, neck profile (thinner ST-20, thick and round ST-62), tuners (split post Klusen-like on ST-62) and saddle shape. For the pick-ups, demos of the ST-62 abound but here is possibly the best clean demo I could find of an ST-20: To be honest, I don't think it sounds all that good but I would like to hear a direct comparison.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 30, 2019 12:46:14 GMT
nobody seems to know the exact specs including thomann. I sometimes wonder whether they do have any exact specs or just a vague conversation. The specs are pretty clear. Everything is from NoName Cheapest ® unless otherwise specified. Given the choice, I would almost always prefer Roswell pick-ups to any of the unbranded stuff we get on the lower price models. Check out the sound bites of the PJ-4 (unbranded, 129€) and PJ-74 (Roswell, 159€). This is essentially the same instrument but a very different sound.
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Post by lespaulmoreray on Jun 30, 2019 12:50:13 GMT
it cant be that cheap.....it gets rave reviews on youtube. there’s a ton of fake chinese crap here in manila thats just awful. even fake HB’s.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 30, 2019 13:04:54 GMT
it cant be that cheap.....it gets rave reviews on youtube. there’s a ton of fake chinese crap here in manila thats just awful. even fake HB’s. At some point, much of the price goes to the people who put the stuff together and bring it to you. I have two ST-62s and really like them. I believe they deserve the praise and that's because a Strat' is a very easy thing to do well but take the price further down and you have to compromise on something. Tuners and pick-ups are the obvious possibility here, the rest being equal or irrelevant to price. I never heard anyone praise of even defend the pick-ups of the ST-20. If you play with distortion, it might not matter too much. If it does, maybe you can replace them cheap at some point. I got my first ST-62 barely used for 77€, so I had no choice to make
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Post by lespaulmoreray on Jun 30, 2019 13:15:57 GMT
well i know they’re ceramic but thats all i know. but i have a drawer full of pickups/pots so not really concerned about that. its the rest of the guitar i’m concerned about.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 30, 2019 13:26:41 GMT
Well, in this case I would choose based on the neck profile and desired finish or fingerboard. I had to do some easy fret levelling on several of my Harley Benton. All you need is a cheap file and a credit card to use as a fret rocker to find out where to remove something. Thomann sells the vintage tuners for 25€ so you should be able to upgrade for less than that if you wish to but that is never a necessity. Better tuners make tuning more pleasant but do not impact stability unless they were made two centuries ago.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 30, 2019 16:02:02 GMT
Correct, I put the pictures to scale and on top of each other. The ST-20 is slightly thinner and the other one is also broader on the left side:
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 30, 2019 16:19:05 GMT
The ceramic pickups are not always worse than those in alnico, but on the st20 they are really to be overcome. Ceramic and AlNiCo can both be good or bad, no generalisation is possible. I suppose you mean the ST-20 pick-ups need to be upgraded. Can you tell why? How are they different and what makes them insufficient in your opinion?
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 30, 2019 18:54:09 GMT
Here's a good set of arguments for the ST-62 in its most recent incarnation:
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Post by ttmax on Jun 30, 2019 19:27:47 GMT
I am however of the opinion that apart from personal taste the success is very important (not all guitars of the same model are the same) and even the amplifier has a very important role. Since I changed from blackstar to fender some of my guitars are now much more appreciated (see yamaha revstar) yet with the marshall that I still have this has not happened. Recently I bought a squier classic vibe 50 stratocaster and I was so fascinated by it that I always bought a cvb 50 tele yet it didn't make the same impression on me. I don't know if it's because alnico v instead of III or because it got damaged and so my condition wasn't exactly clear. The fact is that sent back I decided to have other options the first on Michael Kelly 53 54 and 55 then discarded because they still cost or as the squier cvb or a hundred euros more and I do not know if it's worth. Now I am embracing another hypothesis, to buy a left-side strat I know already and that I found better than hb st62 and a squier contemporary hh that if I don't like it I can always change I have some 2 and 4 way humbuckers. Finally, try a new squier cvb 50 ... all because I have a replacement you do? 1) still squier cvb 2) sx + squier contemporary 3) 400/450 euro hopening found in muziker shop
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