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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 10, 2019 14:47:10 GMT
It's pretty poor teaching when it doesn't inspire you. I went through that Tune a Day kind of thing when I started learning but quite quickly seemed to think, "why am I committing so much time to playing Me and Bobby McGee?". I never got to the end of that book and could never see myself buying the other 4 in the series. I started with Justin Guitar two years ago, as a way to start again and actually learn something. And I did but the moment i came to trying out songs, I stalled. Justin is fine, I enjoy him. He's giving all the good advice and some more but I can't bear learning songs, even those I sort of like. It's like learning to recite stuff when I want to learn to speak.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Aug 10, 2019 14:48:13 GMT
The bend up is ok the bend down and prebend is ok DefJef, its two step bends that I can't seem to get right. I'm not even sure that's the correct term. Again prebend and ghost bends are they the same thing?
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 10, 2019 14:55:33 GMT
The bend up is ok the bend down and prebend is ok DefJef , its two step bends that I can't seem to get right. I'm not even sure that's the correct term. Again prebend and ghost bends are they the same thing? Two step bends? A major third?
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Aug 10, 2019 15:04:31 GMT
The bend up is ok the bend down and prebend is ok DefJef , its two step bends that I can't seem to get right. I'm not even sure that's the correct term. Again prebend and ghost bends are they the same thing? Two step bends? A major third? You bend up stop then bend up again. This is where video can often fall down people use different terms and rarely give advice of techniques. Just bend up stop bend up again and release.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 10, 2019 15:08:35 GMT
Two step bends? A major third? You bend up stop then bend up again. This is where video can often fall down people use different terms and rarely give advice of techniques. Just bend up stop bend up again and release. That seems more feasible. Can't help with the naming, I don't know bends…
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Post by DefJef on Aug 10, 2019 15:09:43 GMT
It's pretty poor teaching when it doesn't inspire you. I went through that Tune a Day kind of thing when I started learning but quite quickly seemed to think, "why am I committing so much time to playing Me and Bobby McGee?". I never got to the end of that book and could never see myself buying the other 4 in the series. I started with Justin Guitar two years ago, as a way to start again and actually learn something. And I did but the moment i came to trying out songs, I stalled. Justin is fine, I enjoy him. He's giving all the good advice and some more but I can't bear learning songs, even those I sort of like. It's like learning to recite stuff when I want to learn to speak. I feel that pain, Leo. I actually don't think I know more than about three songs of anybody else's all the way through...and even that might test my memory if I was pushed to prove it. You've got to hand it to those that play tons of covers. Even if you don't want to hear them there is a whole load of dedication being put into that sort of learning. I don't mind studying bits of tunes if I want to know what is happening that I'm enjoying but after that I'm away like a thief in the night. I don't know if the young 'uns have house parties like we did in my student days - I like to think they do - but I sure learned a whole load of guitar stuff along with many other things just loitering about into the small hours in rooms and on staircases in the houses of people I have since long forgotten.
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Post by DefJef on Aug 10, 2019 15:24:19 GMT
And what happens when you do two step bends blindwilly3fingers ? Do you run out of strength or over or undershoot your target note? A good deal of the strength thing is in preparation. If you know you are going to do one, it could be that you need to shift that bending finger just a little more to the opposite side from the direction you are about to bend. I only just noticed that I do that. Just a little shift below my normal playing centre of the finger tip. It seems to allow me to get a better fulcrum to bend from and I am pushing it a bit more than just gripping it and sliding it sideways. I can attempt to do it by not doing that but it definitely takes a little more pressure and faith! This seems to help the accuracy too so that you can hold that first step on the pitch you want before going for the big lift. As for pitching correctly, a lot of that has to do with knowing your guitar and each string's tension. The more you know that the easier it becomes. Certain strings, as you'll know are under more tension than others and are more forgiving to the technique. I learned a piece the other month that required a three semitone prebend on the A string that gradually got released over a couple of bars. I wouldn't have liked to do it without first knowing the guitar and strings that I would be performing it on. I'd have definitely started on the wrong pitch and then had two bars of embarrassment to cringe through. I think a ghost bend is probably a prebend...unless it's a quarter bend, an afterbend or an unplucked bend... I've never come across the term. I'm particularly bad at tremolo. Chedapapa used to be all tremolo, even on chords. I could never get near that. As for what BB King did, hold and waggle sideways like a classical player, that achieved absolutely nothing for me when I tried it. It looked like BB King's movement but my note stayed resolutely steady. On the plus side it does seem to help to wind my Seiko kinetic watch.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Aug 10, 2019 15:37:49 GMT
I was undershooting and overshooting DefJef I just found a video explaining it in depth. I now know where I was going wrong I wasn't using the base of the index finger against the neck as a sort of pivot point. Just tried it and have much better control. That's my practice sorted out for the next couple of days. I suppose that's an example of using bad/incorrect techniques. I was relying purely on finger strength pushing up, it now feels more like sliding up. I presume it's what you were saying DefJef about position of your fingers? It's also made vibrato at the end of the bend much easier. That has made my day 😁😁😁
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Post by DefJef on Aug 10, 2019 16:14:42 GMT
Brilliant bw3f. A sort of straightening of the finger rather than a whole hand push? Where would we be without YT? That's made my day too. Now you've got the hang of that you should see if you can do three and four step bends too. My strings on a string through tele allow them on the B string. Not sure my Pacifica will be so obliging. I'll be fighting the dipping tremolo. You'll soon be laughing at how easy two step bends are in comparison. You ought to put a link through to that video on the forum...but where should it go? We don't have a tips and techniques section. Stages and studios? We could do with some lessons on here. I'll bet we could all do with some advice. I reckon most of us are so critical of our own abilities that we do not video where we are at the moment with our playing out of embarrassment. But if we do it can be really encouraging to look back at them and see how far we have come and, by optimistic projection, how far we may yet be able to go.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 10, 2019 16:24:24 GMT
You ought to put a link through to that video on the forum...but where should it go? We don't have a tips and techniques section. Stages and studios? Anything about hands should go to Effects / Other Brands
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Aug 10, 2019 16:55:18 GMT
Brilliant bw3f. A sort of straightening of the finger rather than a whole hand push? Where would we be without YT? That's made my day too. Now you've got the hang of that you should see if you can do three and four step bends too. My strings on a string through tele allow them on the B string. Not sure my Pacifica will be so obliging. I'll be fighting the dipping tremolo. You'll soon be laughing at how easy two step bends are in comparison. You ought to put a link through to that video on the forum...but where should it go? We don't have a tips and techniques section. Stages and studios? We could do with some lessons on here. I'll bet we could all do with some advice. I reckon most of us are so critical of our own abilities that we do not video where we are at the moment with our playing out of embarrassment. But if we do it can be really encouraging to look back at them and see how far we have come and, by optimistic projection, how far we may yet be able to go. Yes I suppose it is just straightening the fingers rather than pushing with the hand, sort of more wrist twisting? My fingers are at more of an angle sort of diagonal across the strings (more callous area cultivation required). The pivoting from the index finger just gives so much more control. I will post a link, possibly post a thread in the saloon.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 10, 2019 17:08:44 GMT
Yes I suppose it is just straightening the fingers rather than pushing with the hand, sort of more wrist twisting? My fingers are at more of an angle sort of diagonal across the strings (more callous area cultivation required). The pivoting from the index finger just gives so much more control. I will post a link, possibly post a thread in the saloon. I never practised bends but never saw pushing with the hand as an option. To me it always seemed to be a clutching with one finger pushing up while the thumb holds the neck down at the same time. When pulling downwards, the base of the 1st and 2nd fingers presses the back of the neck while the hand pivots clockwise a little.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Aug 10, 2019 18:17:14 GMT
As usual with video the terminology used varies on whoever is delivering the video and decides the word to use. I still don't know the correct terminology of the bend I was attempting. So trying to explain it or what I am now doing to perform it in text form! Give me a break!!!! I went back to basics to check if my technique was correct, it wasn't and by adjusting the position of my fingers? Digits? Organ of touch? Tactile member? Feelers? Tentacles? Claws? (you choose the terminology). As suggested in the video my technique improved. Now do you really want me to describe my wrist action? I shall post several videos I watched in a post very shortly. These start at beginners level and hopefully there may something of use for you.
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Post by hallon on Aug 10, 2019 18:38:08 GMT
And do they sound ten times better, or even just twice as good? The question doesn't make sense. Of course it does, if an instrument cost ten times as much, it is well worth thinking about how much better that guitar is subjectively perceived in (non monetary) value for oneself. Not as an exact objective truth. But as an overall impression of the guitar in question.
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