DefJef
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Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Aug 11, 2019 9:48:02 GMT
I think the phrase, "does it sound ten times better" carries a certain illustrative poetry with it and is probably understandable to the vast majority of people. I wouldn't like to quantify them but I'm sure that a quick vox pop would identify those that did and those that didn't comprehend its meaning. There may be a few that suspected you were trying to catch them out in some way or other but they may be the same people who would discuss whether it really was a good evening after a quick salutation in a pub doorway, "That depends on relative to what. And the definition of 'evening'. And whether that is a question, or an answer or a statement. And from who's point of view." I've spent enough time in the company of such philosophers to know that a very dry and humourless time can be had. The phrase "does it sound ten times better" is understood by a vast majority of idiots to mean that there is an objective evaluation of sound quality across one dimension (not possible). The number of fools who understand things wrong or jump to conclusions based on implications never made anything true. When I speak of a good evening, I am merely expressing my pleasure at it and it is a way of expressing thanks to those who hear it. It basically means "I enjoyed myself tonight, thank you guys, I like you". It is not an evaluation of the evening and certainly not a purchasing advice given to others. The next point is the "worth it" part. Is this worth the money? This can almost never be answered for anyone else as it depends on their relation to money which is unknown and varied. I can answer the question for myself: is this thing worth paying 10 times more than that other to me? Assuming my answer if of any interest to others is utter presumption or more likely stupidity. What can be of interest to others is a clear description of the differences. They can then make their own assessment. It's slightly concerning that you assume so much about people from their responses. It could be a language or cultural thing and I will instantly apologise to you if you think it is, but I don't assume that anybody is an 'idiot', in my understanding of that word, if they don't respond to all things quantitively. I don't assume that anyone who says they'll be with me 'in a minute' has set a stop watch to make sure they are 60 seconds, no more no less, before they turn up. I wouldn't even think someone was a 'fool' or 'naive' if they started a timer the moment I said I would be with them 'in a minute'. I might think they were pretty sarcastic though and it definitely wouldn't endear them to me, but that might be unfair of me too. They may be obsessive or have slightly autistic tendencies. I would try not to jump to conclusions on that. If it was a partner whom I knew very well doing it, I would know they were simply spoiling for a fight because I'd annoyed them in some unknowable way! The phrase, as I hope we have all come to realise, is just illustrative as meaning 'very, very soon'. How long anyone thinks 'very' is has never been quantified and yet we all seem to have some idea of what everyone else is referring to. In fact we are all so cognisant of the phrase 'in a minute' that folk will even apologise if they were a bit longer than 'a minute', not an actual minute but what we all generally accept as being 'a minute'. It's surely the same to most people with the phrase 'ten times better'? I'd stake a claim on the fact that not one person who reads the phrase 'ten times better' assumes there is a machine that someone has got that will measure it. They would surely understand it to mean 'better by a country mile', 'tons better', 'a whole load better', 'an unbelievable improvement'. They surely wouldn't start weighing one against the other and declare neither weighed a ton (or metric tonne), that a country mile was not an SI unit. I'd even wager that they don't assume it means 'not much better really because it's not a million times better'. We could even, surely, all understand if one guitar was considered 'ten times better than another' that a third one described as 'maybe seven times better' or 'perhaps a nine' that the person describing it was making comparative value judgments and was ordering them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would understand a 'nine' as being almost as good as a 'ten' and really worth considering if the 'ten' was out of the person's price range or otherwise unavailable. A 'seven' possibly a bit 'meh'. We have to know, when we read a person's contribution on the forum or even meet them in the street, that they are just one individual with their own package of values, prejudices and experiences. The more we know about them the more we may trust their value calls as being relevant to us but we can never really hear their voice and by our clever senses recognize the 'tone' of what they are saying and how they are saying it. That's why those emojis sort of help in a rather clumsy way. Here come mine: Here comes everybody else's:
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 11, 2019 9:50:49 GMT
I don't think it's the shape that I don't like but rather, as you suggest, how it all hangs together. The f-hole always seems to look a bit small and misplaced on the semi hollows, so better to my eyes if it blends in a bit with a darker colour. I find the way the f-holes work on the overal impression interesting. They are a big part of what makes the look of my Tobacco Flame but have somewhat less impact on these dark grey finishes: Still, I believe the 2nd one is essential I never noticed that the Harley Benton CST is larger than the PRS. I made sure the pictures above were at scale,
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 11, 2019 10:29:31 GMT
I don't like the Charcoal CST-24HB much either. A glossy finish is not the best with such a colour and I'm not sure about the combination with the new Jatoba but I'd like to see the real thing before commenting further.
Here's an older one:
As to value for money, this is beyond bargain level. Especially for cheapskates who manage to get them for nearly half the priceβ¦
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 11, 2019 10:44:38 GMT
And talking about pointy guitars, here's the one to try out:
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Aug 11, 2019 10:48:30 GMT
Those two PRSes do look pretty fine to me. I quite like the way the red wood (mahogany) contrasts with the black through the f-holes. I might even up that contrast if it was me designing it. I could live with either of those. Maybe the dark background is helping them too...and the horizontal orientation. The birds? Well, they're there so let them be. Strangely the HB one doesn't appeal. Perhaps the figuring is too contrasty for me. Perhaps it's just an unfair photo. Lighting can have a huge impact on how flaming 'pops', I know. It does make me smile seeing that 'Harley Benton' signature as though he was a real person proudly endorsing his instrument in the same way as Paul Reed Smith uses his. Let's be honest though, we do get an awful lot of niceness for our money these days...even if our currency value is sliding away like a thrown custard pie down the face of a clown. Interesting point regarding the names. For what it's worth and just my imagination, to my mind Paul Reed Smith sounds the type of name of a hip 60's photographer! Harley Benton on the other hand conjures the image of a fat lecherous Hollywood film producer! Strange how the mind/brain festers such misconceptions. I must have read the wrong sort of newspapers in the past. π€ π π³
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Post by hallon on Aug 11, 2019 11:11:53 GMT
The phrase "does it sound ten times better" is understood by a vast majority of idiots to mean that there is an objective evaluation of sound quality across one dimension (not possible). The number of fools who understand things wrong or jump to conclusions based on implications never made anything true. When I speak of a good evening, I am merely expressing my pleasure at it and it is a way of expressing thanks to those who hear it. It basically means "I enjoyed myself tonight, thank you guys, I like you". It is not an evaluation of the evening and certainly not a purchasing advice given to others. The next point is the "worth it" part. Is this worth the money? This can almost never be answered for anyone else as it depends on their relation to money which is unknown and varied. I can answer the question for myself: is this thing worth paying 10 times more than that other to me? Assuming my answer if of any interest to others is utter presumption or more likely stupidity. What can be of interest to others is a clear description of the differences. They can then make their own assessment. It's slightly concerning that you assume so much about people from their responses. It could be a language or cultural thing and I will instantly apologise to you if you think it is, but I don't assume that anybody is an 'idiot', in my understanding of that word, if they don't respond to all things quantitively. I don't assume that anyone who says they'll be with me 'in a minute' has set a stop watch to make sure they are 60 seconds, no more no less, before they turn up. I wouldn't even think someone was a 'fool' or 'naive' if they started a timer the moment I said I would be with them 'in a minute'. I might think they were pretty sarcastic though and it definitely wouldn't endear them to me, but that might be unfair of me too. They may be obsessive or have slightly autistic tendencies. I would try not to jump to conclusions on that. If it was a partner whom I knew very well doing it, I would know they were simply spoiling for a fight because I'd annoyed them in some unknowable way! The phrase, as I hope we have all come to realise, is just illustrative as meaning 'very, very soon'. How long anyone thinks 'very' is has never been quantified and yet we all seem to have some idea of what everyone else is referring to. In fact we are all so cognisant of the phrase 'in a minute' that folk will even apologise if they were a bit longer than 'a minute', not an actual minute but what we all generally accept as being 'a minute'. It's surely the same to most people with the phrase 'ten times better'? I'd stake a claim on the fact that not one person who reads the phrase 'ten times better' assumes there is a machine that someone has got that will measure it. They would surely understand it to mean 'better by a country mile', 'tons better', 'a whole load better', 'an unbelievable improvement'. They surely wouldn't start weighing one against the other and declare neither weighed a ton (or metric tonne), that a country mile was not an SI unit. I'd even wager that they don't assume it means 'not much better really because it's not a million times better'. We could even, surely, all understand if one guitar was considered 'ten times better than another' that a third one described as 'maybe seven times better' or 'perhaps a nine' that the person describing it was making comparative value judgments and was ordering them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would understand a 'nine' as being almost as good as a 'ten' and really worth considering if the 'ten' was out of the person's price range or otherwise unavailable. A 'seven' possibly a bit 'meh'. We have to know, when we read a person's contribution on the forum or even meet them in the street, that they are just one individual with their own package of values, prejudices and experiences. The more we know about them the more we may trust their value calls as being relevant to us but we can never really hear their voice and by our clever senses recognize the 'tone' of what they are saying and how they are saying it. That's why those emojis sort of help in a rather clumsy way. Here come mine: Here comes everybody else's: Yup, when a person says x times better, most (all) people know what the person is referring to, it sounds so much better. It is not meant to be exact. And people do understand this as an non objective fact. An autistic person (nothing wrong with being autistic, it is just that they might not be able to see the whole picture), and people who split semantics, would try to understand it as exactly x times.
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Post by hallon on Aug 11, 2019 11:22:44 GMT
The bend up is ok the bend down and prebend is ok DefJef , its two step bends that I can't seem to get right. I'm not even sure that's the correct term. Again prebend and ghost bends are they the same thing? Two steps as in two semi tones? That is called a major second, or a whole tone.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 11, 2019 12:21:05 GMT
He's definitely a somewhat shady guy. Never truly available when it comes down to it.
I realise most of mine are second hand. Maybe they're fake. Should I be worried?
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DefJef
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Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Aug 11, 2019 12:24:29 GMT
An autistic person (nothing wrong with being autistic, it is just that they might not be able to see the whole picture), and people who split semantics, would try to understand it as exactly x times. I had a friend like that who always seemed to think I meant exactly what I said. I learned to make sure I never used metaphors or hyberbole in his company...or else I'd do it to wind him up! He was heavily into jazz. I really loved him. He was totally reliable and had a heart of gold as you might expect. Christ he was hard work in a conversation though. Bet he thought I was too .
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DefJef
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Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Aug 11, 2019 12:25:53 GMT
He's definitely a somewhat shady guy. Never truly available when it comes down to it. I realise most of mine are second hand. Maybe they're fake. Should I be worried? Oh look, he is a shirt designer.
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DefJef
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Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Aug 11, 2019 12:34:37 GMT
I don't like the Charcoal CST-24HB much either. A glossy finish is not the best with such a colour and I'm not sure about the combination with the new Jatoba but I'd like to see the real thing before commenting further. Here's an older one: As to value for money, this is beyond bargain level. Especially for cheapskates who manage to get them for nearly half the price⦠Are the PRSes not glossy then? I kind of assumed that they were too but they didn't have that shaped top sparkling all the light about the place. Maybe they aren't glossy. I like them even more now if they are just satin. Your deko one was an unbelievable steal and we're nearly all jealous of it. Some of us still want to hit it with Tumbleweed though, or is that stuff now illegal?
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Aug 11, 2019 12:56:00 GMT
I'm not jealous! It's just a semi acoustic les paul with the top bout reshaped into an elongated top horn! π
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