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Post by benneke84 on Aug 28, 2019 12:01:18 GMT
Hi, I have not so long ago purchased a HB SC450plus. I practice with my guitar direct plugged into the instrument channel of a scarlett solo 2nd gen soundcard and amp software on my pc. Now the problem, clean tones are good, so just an amp with some reverb etc. But when i try some more heavy things, with overdrive or gain on the amp i get very bad sound, just with a bit overdrive or gain the sound becomes a mess, like you put the gain on 20 or so... Then i tried with the zoom G1ON multi effect pedal, same situation, clean tones are ok but the more heavy presets are just a mess... I really dont know what the problem is. Here is an audio snippet of the dry sound from the guitar recorded with a daw: link
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 28, 2019 12:31:18 GMT
I have no idea what you're doing but I heard from people who know better that pure overdriven sound from an amplifier can sound terrible until it goes through a speaker and cab. Your Zoom G1on has cab simulation. Maybe it has to be turned on before the stuff sounds right.
If you were to use it as input to a guitar amplifier, which obviously has its own speaker and cab, you'd leave it off. If you want it to produce the finished sound, which seems to be what you need, it has to simulate that part too.
Here's a demo of what a pure simulation without cab sounds like:
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Post by benneke84 on Aug 28, 2019 12:32:39 GMT
Cab simulation is on, with the zoom and also on my pc ofcourse.
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Post by benneke84 on Aug 28, 2019 12:37:16 GMT
I also tried with many different amp sim's on my pc, Overloud, Bias, Guitar rig... nothing sounds good, distorted mess... only clean sounds are ok.
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freeman
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Post by freeman on Aug 28, 2019 14:37:21 GMT
It's certainly nothing to do with the guitar. Personally, I haven't yet found a plugin that gives really good overdriven sounds. They mostly sound screetchy. I still have my 10 year old Line 6 Pod and it usually gets the job done with a bit of tweaking. The first thing to do is to check the input and output gain on the sound card/interface and on the guitar. Then check the gain in the DAW and the plugin. Maybe use some compression. There is a sweet spot. You just have to find it. Good luck.
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Post by benneke84 on Aug 28, 2019 20:55:31 GMT
I played a bit more with the zoom, made some fresh patches, wow, i can get some good overdrive tones now. Also very beautiful clean tones. I will put some more time into amp sims ont he pc too. Thanx!
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 29, 2019 6:58:46 GMT
Good. So it wasn't a fundamental problem after all, just a matter of tweaking the right parameters. I found headphones or speakers make a serious difference too. Electric guitar sound is not hi-fi, on the contrary. It is entirely made out of flaws built into the whole chain. I plugged my multi-effect into my hi-fi and it doesn't sound the same, especially the overdriven sounds.
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Post by salteedog on Aug 29, 2019 8:57:55 GMT
Most of the high gain patches on the Zoom are terrible. How they sound is very dependent on the input signal level. Much better to build your own from scratch.
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