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Post by mattyh on Oct 23, 2019 1:01:24 GMT
I know these are completely different guitars that have completely different tones but i cant decide between them. im new to guitar and i listen to bands Like Oasis and The stone Roses. what guitar is the best for this style of music?
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 23, 2019 5:38:21 GMT
I don't know these bands Browsing through Youtube, I hear clear sounds, strumming from Oasis and I see the Stone Roses with a Strat'. Telecaster is your choice in terms of sound. Since you are new to guitar, you might not have ergonomic preferences yet. A first guitar is decisive in that it will shape these preferences. We grow around it and come to perceive its shape, proportions and sizes as the comfort of home. The Les Paul and Telecaster shapes are drastically different, they balance differently on a leg, have a different scale length and a different picking spot along it. Get used to one and you will probably dislike the other.
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 23, 2019 8:55:03 GMT
On promos there is a tendency to go with what is eyecatching or happens to be handy and possibly nothing too valuable! Same with live where robustness, versatility, weight, tuning stability, value and noise rejection will all play a part. It's worth digging nice and deep to find out. We can often be quite surprised. Jimmy Page is most known to play a Les Paul on stage, likely because of the noise cancelling effect of humbuckers, but recorded the first Led Zeppelin albums on a Telecaster. And that's the thing about single coils and humbuckers. You can make single coils sound like humbuckers with a little tweaking, like putting a thick cloak on a thin man, but it won't work the other way around, no fat men in tight pants.
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Post by mattyh on Oct 23, 2019 14:28:23 GMT
I don't know these bands Browsing through Youtube, I hear clear sounds, strumming from Oasis and I see the Stone Roses with a Strat'. Telecaster is your choice in terms of sound. Since you are new to guitar, you might not have ergonomic preferences yet. A first guitar is decisive in that it will shape these preferences. We grow around it and come to perceive its shape, proportions and sizes as the comfort of home. The Les Paul and Telecaster shapes are drastically different, they balance differently on a leg, have a different scale length and a different picking spot along it. Get used to one and you will probably dislike the other. Thanks for the help. i'm going out to buy a new telecaster next week because, like you said, i can make single coils sound like humbuckers with a little tweaking.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 23, 2019 16:36:22 GMT
As regards to making a single coil sound like a humbucker good luck with that. A single coil has its own sound just like a P90 or humbucker has. If you are playing through a clean amp the difference is noticeable clearly. You can use effects or OD but a single coil won't sound the same as a humbucker. There are a few on here that champion humbuckers with split coils. This is supposed to make a humbucker sound like a single coil. The trouble with this is if a humbucker has say 8.5k resistance it does not necessarily mean it will be 4.25 split it could be lower or higher. It depends how both coils of the humbucker are wound and which one is used in split mode. So it doesn't really sound exactly the same. To be honest you need to go and listen to guitars with different pickups and then decide mattyh. As DefJef says you can alter things with studio trickery, but I suspect you do not have any form of studio mixing available to you? If you have my apologies and crack on with whatever pickup you like the look of. The long and the short of it is you won't make a single coil sound like a humbucker or vice versa. That's why there are different pickups, don't forget jazzmaster or mini humbuckers as they have a different sound also.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 23, 2019 21:49:55 GMT
I know I posted the video you mention DefJef. But it was suggested in this post that a single coil can sound like a humbucker. You can get some as you say thin/funky sounds from a humbucker im not disputing that but it's not a real strat single coil sound is it? As it was suggested in this post a humbucker can't be made to sound like a single coil it's a bit of a contradiction? The other suggestion that a single coil can be made to sound like a humbucker? I'm not sure I've heard a single coil get anywhere near as muddy/dark (apologies if I use the wrong terminology) as a humbucker can get? Now we can get into different pots, caps, treble bleeds etc which can influence a pickups/guitars sound. But for someone new to guitar it could be a disillusioning experience to buy a guitar expecting certain sounds and then get sounds that are not what they may have wanted. The O.P should be encouraged to hear different guitars/pickups and then decide what one best suits the sound they are looking for. For someone getting their first guitar it is important they get one that is comfortable for them to play and will give them a sound that suits what they want to initially play. For those of us who have guitars with different pickups etc it is easy to be flippant and suggest/push our personal preferences, instead of trying to offer unbiased advice. DefJef you have guitars with different pups you know each type really has its own sound. Are we going to argue over a lipstick being tweaked to sound like a humbucker? I am merely trying to point out we need to be careful with the advice we offer sometimes.
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Post by mattyh on Oct 24, 2019 1:47:32 GMT
I know I posted the video you mention DefJef . But it was suggested in this post that a single coil can sound like a humbucker. You can get some as you say thin/funky sounds from a humbucker im not disputing that but it's not a real strat single coil sound is it? As it was suggested in this post a humbucker can't be made to sound like a single coil it's a bit of a contradiction? The other suggestion that a single coil can be made to sound like a humbucker? I'm not sure I've heard a single coil get anywhere near as muddy/dark (apologies if I use the wrong terminology) as a humbucker can get? Now we can get into different pots, caps, treble bleeds etc which can influence a pickups/guitars sound. But for someone new to guitar it could be a disillusioning experience to buy a guitar expecting certain sounds and then get sounds that are not what they may have wanted. The O.P should be encouraged to hear different guitars/pickups and then decide what one best suits the sound they are looking for. For someone getting their first guitar it is important they get one that is comfortable for them to play and will give them a sound that suits what they want to initially play. For those of us who have guitars with different pickups etc it is easy to be flippant and suggest/push our personal preferences, instead of trying to offer unbiased advice. DefJef you have guitars with different pups you know each type really has its own sound. Are we going to argue over a lipstick being tweaked to sound like a humbucker? I am merely trying to point out we need to be careful with the advice we offer sometimes. thomann has the option to listen to audio examples but i cant find a guitar with humbuckers and a guitar with single coils playing the same riff. i was looking at guitars that guitarists from bands that inspire me play and its a mixture of les pauls and teles or strats. since you know more than me, which is the better option for this style of music?
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 24, 2019 2:47:41 GMT
I never knew that Hendrix or Gallagher were playing single coils in their heavy, distorted stuff. Voodo Chile sounds like it's coming from a Les Paul to me. I never knew Page was playing a Telecaster, ever. At tone character level, it's the same thing. This is why Clapton moved on from Les Pauls to Strat's in spite of having created an iconic tone with the former. He can get that function he needs just fine with a Strat'.
Here's Voodoo Chile on a Strat'
And Red House on an SG:
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 24, 2019 3:12:46 GMT
I seem to remember a video being posted on the forum a little while back that was trying to show the tones available from a humbuckered Les Paul. I was really surprised at the great thin funky sound the player managed to get from it. Not sure if I'd have thought it was a single coil or not. I think I might. Maybe not side by side. Whatever it was, I very much doubt we could get this from a Harley Benton SC-550. I have heard expensive Gibsons with much clearer humbuckers than we get from Roswell, maybe because it's harder to make or maybe just because Roswell are fulfilling the "vintage sound" requirement.
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 24, 2019 3:29:29 GMT
]thomann has the option to listen to audio examples but i cant find a guitar with humbuckers and a guitar with single coils playing the same riff. i was looking at guitars that guitarists from bands that inspire me play and its a mixture of les pauls and teles or strats. since you know more than me, which is the better option for this style of music? Just get an Ibanez Or a Harley Benton Fusion. It all depends how precise your wishes are. If you want to sound exactly like something, you need the thing. If you're after the character of the thing, all you need is a guitar with a broad enough spectrum that can be equalised down to whatever you like. You might have to invest in a 21€ EQ pedal and learn to use it if your amplifier does not provide enough control. Or get a Vox Starstream and go funny. Here is Eric Clapton playing an iconic song with an iconic sound he created on a Gibson SG with humbuckers. He is now playing it on a Strat' in the very face of tone purists.
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