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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 16, 2020 11:07:43 GMT
Oh, I didn't see that neck joint. And the cutout is deeper too for better access. Not exactly the most commonly played area on a 12-string, but it's… well it's nice. Better than the original. They have a 12-string Strat' too but it's ugly. And black. And even cheaper
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 16, 2020 11:40:42 GMT
I think the long, straight headstock simply doesn't fit the curved body.
The real question, though, is about the consistency of quality for these guitars. I know it's probably impossible nowadays to mess up a Strat' or Telecaster but I see no reviews, no one telling about the fretwork, the neck angle or its alignment, let alone the neck profile, which I would expect to be on the thick side. At this level, pick-ups are barely a concern. I'm sure ebay would have replacements.
Of course a Telecaster body will always be heavy, especially without a rib cut.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 16, 2020 13:11:18 GMT
There IS a review:
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Post by Djangle on Jan 16, 2020 14:35:18 GMT
Interesting read on the Ric forum DefJef I may well try out a reverse string nut on my Eastwood at some point.. Any useful tips to make a 12 string easier to play are always welcome and if it makes it sound more Ricky that's a bonus. I've also read that flatwounds on a12 string electric make it easier to play and give it a more authentic 60s tone but yet to try it. One other niggle is getting intonation right on the 2 course 1 screw tunomatic saddles. Very difficult to source 12 string tunomatic style bridge with individual string adjustment so it's always about compromise.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 16, 2020 14:47:19 GMT
One other niggle is getting intonation right on the 2 course 1 screw tunomatic saddles. Very difficult to source 12 string tunomatic style bridge with individual string adjustment so it's always about compromise. A slight discrepancy between the strings of a course is part of what makes the 12-string sound, the same way the violins of an orchestra are never really exactly in tune with another. Perfection is not so desired.
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Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Jan 16, 2020 15:03:46 GMT
My 12 string experience is only with acoustics Djangle where there is no real accommodation for intonation. The saddle slopes diagonally, and, if I want to, I can put a few variable ramps in place. I would never bother doing that for a 12 string though! I have been toying around with doubling two acoustic guitars this weekend, one with Nashville tuning and, although the sound is very similar to a 12 string, my playing has too many quirks in it to replicate a part twice. So I end up with polyrhythms! This is just about acceptable, even desirable, if I mix the two together in a single position in the stereo field but I've found it quite distracting if I pan them each left and right. Somehow it leaps out a bit too much if I am only trying to give a bed of sound rather than be noticed as distinct parts. Try as I might I just cannot play robotically twice. It's infuriating! I end up having to play short sections just to study what I played the first time around. It's not so much choosing different voicings that's a problem, the Nashville is doing that anyway, it's the fact that my right hand finger patterns, banjo rolls or whatever I may do, are so improvised each time. I'd be hopeless in an orchestra.
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Post by Djangle on Jan 16, 2020 15:28:02 GMT
One other niggle is getting intonation right on the 2 course 1 screw tunomatic saddles. Very difficult to source 12 string tunomatic style bridge with individual string adjustment so it's always about compromise. A slight discrepancy between the strings of a course is part of what makes the 12-string sound, the same way the violins of an orchestra are never really exactly in tune with another. Perfection is not so desired. It sounds just fine on any strings I play below the 12th fret but my ear can't abide the issue above it (tho I don't venture up there often on a12).
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Post by Djangle on Jan 16, 2020 15:43:34 GMT
my playing has too many quirks in it to replicate a part twice. So I end up with polyrhythms! This is just about acceptable, even desirable, if I mix the two together in a single position in the stereo field but I've found it quite distracting if I pan them each left and right. Somehow it leaps out a bit too much if I am only trying to give a bed of sound rather than be noticed as distinct parts. Try as I might I just cannot play robotically twice. It's infuriating! I end up having to play short sections just to study what I played the first time around. It's not so much choosing different voicings that's a problem, the Nashville is doing that anyway, it's the fact that my right hand finger patterns, banjo rolls or whatever I may do, are so improvised each time. I'd be hopeless in an orchestra. I know what you mean but the Nashville tuning is fun to play especially when you capo it and play a progression over a part without one. I play with a light thumbpick and just my index finger(no pick/nail) and its passable for the Mcguinn type banjo roll tunes but even his technique isn't precision all the time especially on solo parts. I've watched some of his excert lessons on YT and a lot of the time it looks like he is upward strumming more than picking out the B and Es. Sounds great tho.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 17, 2020 7:25:55 GMT
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 17, 2020 10:27:53 GMT
Different heel though Leo. I do wonder whether this is a new thing at G4M though. Stock may vary. We all know what Thomann are like for that! It is a new thing. The Sunburst model still has the square one and I saw a sold natural one on ebay with a square heel last November. Looking up the specs, I also see an ash body and poplar laminate fingerboard against alder and rosewood in the Cozart. It could still be from the same maker, though, in the same general quality. It's certainly the same price range.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 17, 2020 10:32:01 GMT
Stock may vary. We all know what Thomann are like for that! So were Fender, Gibson and probably all others before. Real products, designed for another purpose than satisfyíng fetichist fanboys, evolve all the time. They get better, cheaper, sometimes both.
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