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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 17, 2020 10:43:25 GMT
Better is certainly getting cheaper. It really does feel as though we never had it so good. It's the way life has evolved since the stone age. There's always a bunch who think they are getting ripped off at every change on the way and go spend three times as much on a truer reissue just to feel safe.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 17, 2020 11:44:33 GMT
Of course many changes happen to save costs and therefore make an item cheaper to produce - not ALWAYS passed on to the consumer but in a competitive market usually EVENTUALLY filtering through to them. That change may not improve the product for the user. The other way that a competitive market works is to add PERCEIVED value without undercutting a competitor's price. More features means its better, right? Often not! Wherever competition may exist, cost savings are always ending on the buyer's side. If they don't at first, a competitor will pass them on to grab market share. Harley Benton is an example of it. This is how we get cheap guitars, cheap mobile phones, cheap internet connections and more. Those who fall in love with a brand name forsake this advantage of course. Feature inflation, on the other hand, cannot always be escaped but here again, if they really cost something, someone else will provide the lower spec, cheaper product. One of the reasons why controls are removed from products is to reduce the number of parts.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 17, 2020 14:07:39 GMT
Here goes a review of the Cozart variant:
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Post by Djangle on Jan 17, 2020 15:35:00 GMT
Here goes a review of the Cozart variant: The intonation on that guitar is off the scale it even sounds out of tune at the nut end tho he probably needed to tune it properly before doing a review (like a lot of YT 12 string reviews). Fortunately I only have 2 problem strings those being the octaveG and low octaveE strings but I can live with it for now as I really only hear it's off above the 12th fret. On a side note after discussing the highs and lows of a 12 stringer I did some searching again for a 12string tunomatic bridge with individual adjustment saddles and found a supplier in Rondo Music in the US. It sells for around £30 odd plus shipping so plan to order one soon I'll post a link shortly for anyone else interested as these are a rare thing.
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Post by Djangle on Jan 17, 2020 15:38:16 GMT
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 17, 2020 15:48:02 GMT
Why isn't this a standard solution? Do narrow saddles cause problem or is it just that people don't care enough about the issue?
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Post by Djangle on Jan 17, 2020 16:22:23 GMT
Why isn't this a standard solution? Do narrow saddles cause problem or is it just that people don't care enough about the issue? Not sure why they don't do it on electric but as you mentioned before the intonation quirk is part of the 12 string sound within reason tho. If the guitar is well made and the action is low, the nut and bridge are cut spot on to proper height and the scale length is right then you can get acceptable intonation and it sounds fine. I've read online that Ric owners with intonation problems can also buy an aftermarket saddle to remedy this too.
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Post by DefJef on Jan 17, 2020 17:28:19 GMT
Gah, sold out Djangle. If you find one you'd better decide which way you want your strings before notching them or you're going to be busy with a screw driver! Actually, if they are all interchangeable then you only need a choice of nuts and you can swap about to your heart's content,
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Post by Djangle on Jan 17, 2020 17:47:26 GMT
Gah, sold out Djangle . If you find one you'd better decide which way you want your strings before notching them or you're going to be busy with a screw driver! Actually, if they are all interchangeable then you only need a choice of nuts and you can swap about to your heart's content, Doh! .....I think I really do need another eye test........Oh well the search continues
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 18, 2020 6:48:04 GMT
I finally got some halfway decent pictures of that cheap 12-string Telecaster bridge and it seems the lower saddles are providing a different resting point for the octave string, to compensate for the thinner size: Or is it just wishful thinking on my part? Do I need glasses too? Of course, if it does, it precludes reverse stringing. BTW, that guy broke his high G string Here's the video from which it's taken:
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 18, 2020 7:03:02 GMT
Found a better picture on ebay. The offset is adjustable but only goes one way, so there is still no reverse stringing unless… yes, swapping saddles could do it as the high ones are adjustable the other way.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 18, 2020 7:27:33 GMT
Alright, this keeps getting better. The screw holding the bass side saddle appears to have two possible positions: one to accomodate a thinner string by moving the saddle forward, one to accomodate a thicker string to move it backwards. This would make any stringing combination possible.
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