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Post by bretterbernd on Jan 2, 2019 16:57:09 GMT
Yeah, that's the reason i'm going to wait and/or do the fretwork and action first together with the new nut and PUs.
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Post by roberto on Jan 2, 2019 17:24:34 GMT
Just in these days I've changed the tuners in 3 guitars (TE 70, Tele kit HB, Ibanez AS 103)... I'm waiting for tomorrow the 4th tuners -left tuners for TE 90 - It's reverse headstock. The first order was from Thomann KLUSON MS 6 in line for the HB tele e Kluson MS 3&3 for Ibanez and DIXON for the TE KIT Harley Benton. The hole declared in the thomann site is for 10 mm and all the three tuners fit perfectly in the Hb guitars and in the Ibanez ... I'm waiting Kluson Mancine for 10 mm hole from another site ... thomann seems to not sell tuners mancine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 17:59:59 GMT
roberto those HB's you havce come with 10mm tuners. Not so with my ST-62 or in case above, with the TE-52 which are based on the vintage tuners with 8mm bushings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 18:01:31 GMT
Also to mention; I have owned many HB guitars and have NEVER changed their tuners! They arent perfect but they hold tune well and if not one can retune (usually after a few days). In case you loose tunning after a few bends or trem use then by all means check the NUT, as there is you problem.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 2, 2019 18:24:51 GMT
My ST-62 had a squeaking string tree. Vaseline solved it.
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Post by roberto on Jan 3, 2019 5:50:48 GMT
Also to mention; I have owned many HB guitars and have NEVER changed their tuners! They arent perfect but they hold tune well and if not one can retune (usually after a few days). In case you loose tunning after a few bends or trem use then by all means check the NUT, as there is you problem. I own 5 HB now and I've changed 4 tuners and 4 nut! I ALWAYS change the original tuners and nut of HB. Intonation is now better in all the guitars: tested with strobo for nut and with playing and strobo for tuners ... I'm really satisfied of this change.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 3, 2019 8:44:53 GMT
A nut cut too high will affect intonation by forcing strings to be bent further to frets but tuners have no impact on this.
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Post by roberto on Jan 3, 2019 9:29:16 GMT
The improvement is given in the endurance and life of an intonation. I test a guitar intonation with playing and during playing. I test the softness and precision of the tuners... ratio 18:1 it's better than 12:1 ... locking tuner are kind of cool stuff too, etc. etc.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 3, 2019 10:46:09 GMT
The improvement is given in the endurance and life of an intonation. I test a guitar intonation with playing and during playing. I test the softness and precision of the tuners... ratio 18:1 it's better than 12:1 ... locking tuner are kind of cool stuff too, etc. etc. A smooth and more precise tuner is an advantage while tuning, there is no disputing this. My HB guitars have 15:1 or 16:1 ratios. Locking tuners are practical and some will say they improve stability by making a very short wrapping around posts possible but experienced guitar techs claim that limiting wrapping to a couple of turns is just as good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 11:20:38 GMT
. Guitars are essential to my mental wellbeing though. Hear! Hear!
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 3, 2019 14:21:09 GMT
Guitars are our hobby though, and we all love them for different reasons. Some get a real kick out of having them up on the work bench, others are fascinated in swapping amp tubes. My love is that they are a means to an end, i.e. songwriting, so I don't spend a great deal of time concerning myself over fret sizes, neck thicknesses or tone woods, yet that doesn't stop me from buying more and more of them for no justifiable reason whatsoever. Only space and finite income has become my enemy in that regard. I understand that some like to customise their guitar, bring it to their desired level of perfection. They will spend a little money putting their desired tuners on it, their preferred set of strings, change the knobs to something else, replace the pick-ups with some they want, fine tune the electronics or re-finish the whole thing. Others think they get a good guitar for the price of a cheap one plus a few necessary alterations and end up cheaper than buying a good guitar in the first place. They might be right, depending on how inflated the price of the "good guitar" is. If that "good guitar" has Fender or Gibson on the headstock, they are definitely on to something. I fixed the tone pots on my SC-450 Plus, it was necessary to me. I don't like having things that don't work properly. I levelled frets for the same reason, although that felt even more necessary. I changed a coil split to a series/parallel switch (cost was two pieces of wire, or maybe four, and a couple of hours), which gave me a sound I slightly preferred and extended the humbucking function to it. I also extended a Strat' from 5 to 7 pick-up positions and that was really satisfying. But another thing I particularly like is to find ways of using what I have. Dialling a proper pre-set making a guitar more satisfying is more rewarding to me than "upgrading" it. Finding use for a different sound is even better.
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Post by DefJef on Jan 3, 2019 14:38:38 GMT
I sure don't see any point in making all my guitars and amps sound like each other LeoThunder. Like you I can usually find a nice stimulating use for whatever a piece of kit does. That's why I like meeting new musicians too. I made the mistake of trying to get my Katana amp to sound like my Fender Champ for quite a while until I stupidly realised that I already have a Fender Champ! Now I use it to do what the Champ can't and enjoy its flexibility differently. For live, flexibility is the byword. So I can see a lot of point in trying to get one guitar to do as much as possible and as reliably as possible, so upgrading and modding there is time and money well spent. For this reason I never take a strat with a floating trem to a gig, no matter how reliable and stable it can be at home. One broken string and the song's off! Decked trems only for me on stage. I've got enough other things to worry about without fearing an instrument insurrection.
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