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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 31, 2019 16:08:55 GMT
We appear to be in bit of a golden age for cheap guitars. Quality seems to be much better than of old. Parts made in Asia are cheap as chips ok the may not be as good as expensive brands but they are perfectly serviceable. i was just reading back on the discussion that you and leothunder were having. and i was a bit confused, is the better nut and better tuners on the custom actually going to make a difference? Tuners on the SC-Custom are smoother and more precise thanks to a higher ratio (18:1, 15:1 for the SC-450+). That's clearly nicer to use. I feel the nut on my SC-450 Plus is fine so the advantage of the graphite nut on the SC-Custom would be more hypothetical, but not impossible. If I had to make that purchase, I would go for the SC-Custom because of the thinner, more comfortable body and more modern look.
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Post by mattychaddy123 on Jul 31, 2019 16:12:06 GMT
i was just reading back on the discussion that you and leothunder were having. and i was a bit confused, is the better nut and better tuners on the custom actually going to make a difference? Tuners on the SC-Custom are smoother and more precise thanks to a higher ratio (20:1). That's clearly nicer to use. I feel the nut on my SC-450 Plus is fine so the advantage of the graphite nut on the SC-Custom would be more hypothetical, but not impossible. If I had to make that purchase, I would go for the SC-Custom because of the thinner, more comfortable body and more modern look. i like the vintage look of the SC-450 but i also like the SC-custom. so is it just whichever i like the look of? since other than the nut and the tuners, they are the same guitar. also, is there a big difference in the finish?
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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 31, 2019 16:17:41 GMT
I found not obvious flaws in the finish of either but the top of the SC-Custom was finer.
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Post by mattychaddy123 on Jul 31, 2019 16:18:16 GMT
I found not obvious flaws in the finish of either but the top of the SC-Custom was finer. what do you mean by finer?
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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 31, 2019 16:21:56 GMT
I found not obvious flaws in the finish of either but the top of the SC-Custom was finer. what do you mean by finer? The flame was more pronounced, more contrasted.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jul 31, 2019 16:23:17 GMT
The tuners on the custom will better quality. When we were discussing tuners and nuts it appears a little fuzzy. Most guitarists will agree a plastic nut can be prone to problems like the high stings binding or pinging in the nut. The graphite or a bone nut should eliminate this and will generally be a longer lasting material regarding wear and tear. Cheap tuners do work OK but the ratio (how many turns it takes) is usually better on Grover's. The Grover tuners will have a smoother feel when turning and are usually easier and quicker tune. Cheap tuners are available for around £6-10 a set of Grover tuners are around £40-50. Add to that the nicer finish and headstock plus strap locks and jatoba fretboard. I'm my opinion the custom is better value. Hope that makes it clearer mattychaddy123
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Post by mattychaddy123 on Jul 31, 2019 16:26:12 GMT
what do you mean by finer? The flame was more pronounced, more contrasted. ok, i like the lemon flame custom because it looks like slash's AFD les paul but i like the vintage look of the SC-450 plus because it looks like a real les paul. i have noticed that the custom is the same guitar as the £350 ESP LTD EC-256 FM.
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Post by mattychaddy123 on Jul 31, 2019 16:34:35 GMT
The tuners on the custom will better quality. When we were discussing tuners and nuts it appears a little fuzzy. Most guitarists will agree a plastic nut can be prone to problems like the high stings binding or pinging in the nut. The graphite or a bone nut should eliminate this and will generally be a longer lasting material regarding wear and tear. Cheap tuners do work OK but the ratio (how many turns it takes) is usually better on Grover's. The Grover tuners will have a smoother feel when turning and are usually easier and quicker tune. Cheap tuners are available for around £6-10 a set of Grover tuners are around £40-50. Add to that the nicer finish and headstock plus strap locks and jatoba fretboard. I'm my opinion the custom is better value. Hope that makes it clearer mattychaddy123 i was just looking at tuner prices when you sent me this message, the cheapest grovers i could find were £60. and the jatoba fretboard resonates better. I'm definitely going for the custom after the nut comparison between the two guitars. thanks for all the help blindwilly3fingers and leothunder.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 31, 2019 16:39:12 GMT
The flame was more pronounced, more contrasted. ok, i like the lemon flame custom because it looks like slash's AFD les paul but i like the vintage look of the SC-450 plus because it looks like a real les paul. i have noticed that the custom is the same guitar as the £350 ESP LTD EC-256 FM. You need to choose between Slash and Jimmy Page then. If you go for Slash, you'll have extra cost for the wig and hat but can save on the shirt. The Slash guitar is the SC-550 Paradise Amber Flame, though, not the SC-Custom. It has different, more aggressive Roswell HAF pick-ups while the Roswell LAF have a rounder character.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 31, 2019 16:50:34 GMT
Add to that the nicer finish and headstock plus strap locks and jatoba fretboard. I'm my opinion the custom is better value. Hope that makes it clearer mattychaddy123 i was just looking at tuner prices when you sent me this message, the cheapest grovers i could find were £60. and the jatoba fretboard resonates better. I'm definitely going for the custom after the nut comparison between the two guitars. thanks for all the help blindwilly3fingers and leothunder. Jatoba warning: it will look lighter than blackwood, which is really charcoal black and does not show wood figuration. I cannot tell how much lighter, this can vary, but someone else posted about it just a few days ago and posted pictures of a CST-24 with a jatoba fingerboard. It is and looks like wood, though, while blackwood is processed, compressed wood and therefore doesn't show the same texture.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jul 31, 2019 17:00:52 GMT
i was just looking at tuner prices when you sent me this message, the cheapest grovers i could find were £60. and the jatoba fretboard resonates better. I'm definitely going for the custom after the nut comparison between the two guitars. thanks for all the help blindwilly3fingers and leothunder. Jatoba warning: it will look lighter than blackwood, which is really charcoal black and does not show wood figuration. I cannot tell how much lighter, this can vary, but someone else posted about it just a few days ago and posted pictures of a CST-24 with a jatoba fingerboard. It is and looks like wood, though, while blackwood is processed, compressed wood and therefore doesn't show the same texture. .. The 550 I have has a dark brown with almost black grain/figure. But as @loethunder says it can vary a lot like most timbers. The one the other day Leo mentions was quite light. I'm afraid that's luck of the draw but I don't think it will make much difference on a lemon or honey flame mattychaddy123.
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Post by DefJef on Jul 31, 2019 20:05:33 GMT
Ice-picky pick-ups come from a high resonance frequency in the response and this is defined by the resistance, inductance and capacity values of the coil together with the resistance of the volume pot. The larger the value of the volume pot (500K, 1M…), the higher that resonance frequency. Magnets play no role in this, even though they might affect other characteristics of the frequency response. That Squier might have been better served with a 250K pot. I'll have to check what pots I put in that strat LeoThunder. I know I whacked a push-push one on it and doubt that I would have used a 500K but anything's possible with me! I know I didn't change the pots on one of the P90 guitars and the magnet change seemed to help something.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 1, 2019 4:11:45 GMT
Ice-picky pick-ups come from a high resonance frequency in the response and this is defined by the resistance, inductance and capacity values of the coil together with the resistance of the volume pot. The larger the value of the volume pot (500K, 1M…), the higher that resonance frequency. Magnets play no role in this, even though they might affect other characteristics of the frequency response. That Squier might have been better served with a 250K pot. I'll have to check what pots I put in that strat LeoThunder . I know I whacked a push-push one on it and doubt that I would have used a 500K but anything's possible with me! I know I didn't change the pots on one of the P90 guitars and the magnet change seemed to help something. I need to find out more about magnetic fields and how they influence the frequency response. I wonder if there's anything worth reading or watching floating around. Regarding volume pots, I read that Squier have or used to have a 500K pot and that it made them brighter. Some say it's to make them sound modern and competitive, others says it's to make them sound different than Fender and therefore lesser to the vintage inclined, so they would have a reason to spend the big money on the "real" thing. Of course, it could also be to match a humbucker in the bridge. Maybe that pot value only makes a marginal difference and the pick-ups are clearer. I'm curious now.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 1, 2019 4:13:50 GMT
You need to choose between Slash and Jimmy Page then. If you go for Slash, you'll have extra cost for the wig and hat but can save on the shirt. Once you've factored in the cost of the sunglasses and the tattoos the shirt saving could be moot. Then you also have to come up for the gym subscription…
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