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Post by k2347 on Sept 21, 2019 0:42:48 GMT
Wow is all I can say!Fret's very nice,hardware nice,bridge pickup sound's equal to my fave Dimarzio Tone Zone,finish has zero flaws and this axe stay's in tune amazingly well......better then any Gibson I played.Payed $141 new from Thomann........UNF#CKINGBELIEVABLE!!!
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Sept 21, 2019 0:50:39 GMT
Wow is all I can say!Fret's very nice,hardware nice,bridge pickup sound's equal to my fave Dimarzio Tone Zone,finish has zero flaws and this axe stay's in tune amazingly well......better then any Gibson I played.Payed $141 new from Thomann........UNF#CKINGBELIEVABLE!!!
Nice looking guitar, I thought you was never going to buy from Thomann again?
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Post by k2347 on Sept 21, 2019 1:19:10 GMT
Well I always wanted a white Paul and figured I would gut this thing as a project.For 141 clams it was a no brainer but to my suprise it is race ready out of the box.Shipped sept 11th from Germany and arrived at my door in Mesa,Arizona sept 20th.I also bought a Harley Benton acoustic/electric and will review this weekend.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Sept 21, 2019 1:42:32 GMT
Looks superb, a white LP looks classy, glad its all ok 👍 👍 👍
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Post by k2347 on Sept 21, 2019 2:07:13 GMT
I plan on sanding the back of the neck and other then that it is tour ready.....I think.Been pounding old school Priest and Maiden style tunes on it for over 5 hours now and it takes it and stays in tune.Why is photobucket blurring my freakin avatar???
RIP Tony Mills.
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Post by LeoThunder on Sept 21, 2019 4:54:58 GMT
What I find unbelievable is that people are willing to believe that a solid body guitar, which is just a dumb piece of wood cut by machines equipped with dumb coils of wire on top of dumb magnets, ought to cost 10 times that much before being serviceable.
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Post by ttmax on Sept 21, 2019 20:47:02 GMT
k2347I am happy for you that you are satisfied with your purchase, and this is the most important thing! I do not want it, but I am a little skeptical when I hear that it is better than a Gibson. For example, my epiphone with Gibson pickups is definitely more complete and sonic than h.b. Sc450p. Obviously I do not speak without a reference I sent my sc500 back to the sender for its lower performance Vs sc450p. However if you are happy enjoy the guitar certainly looking very nice! LeoThunderIn a solid body guitar its essence, seasoning, cutting etc are not as important as in an acoustic guitar, but in any case even if in minor proportions they have their importance and as obvious the differences become more marked when they are used top of the range hardware. Among my hb (those that use the roswell laf) the sonic differences exist even if not striking. Moreover we are talking about instruments all below 200 euro!
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Post by bentonlad on Sept 21, 2019 21:32:06 GMT
Well I always wanted a white Paul and figured I would gut this thing as a project.For 141 clams it was a no brainer but to my suprise it is race ready out of the box.Shipped sept 11th from Germany and arrived at my door in Mesa,Arizona sept 20th.I also bought a Harley Benton acoustic/electric and will review this weekend. what model acoustic?
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Post by LeoThunder on Sept 22, 2019 0:49:48 GMT
In a solid body guitar its essence, seasoning, cutting etc are not as important as in an acoustic guitar, but in any case even if in minor proportions they have their importance and as obvious the differences become more marked when they are used top of the range hardware. Among my hb (those that use the roswell laf) the sonic differences exist even if not striking. Moreover we are talking about instruments all below 200 euro! I am talking about playability before sound. Neck angle and bridge positioning are key to this. I have heard of holy Gibsons with a badly positioned bridge that could never be intonated because they were "hand made", that all so precious pseudo-quality people find in things when they can't judge for themselves and resort to the "price = value" prejudice instead. Mind you, there were reports here of bridge adjustability issues for the SC-450 Plus. Either the neck angle or the carved top were the cause so machine-made appears not to be a guarantee for regularity either. These things, like the cutting of the nut or the regularity of the frets, are essentials. The latter is not a strength of Harley Benton but is easily remedied. John Robson keeps praising the quality of their nuts, and this man who obviously lives in a guitar set-up shed explains how plastic is just as good as anything if cut properly. When it does come to sound, I would be worried about the unbranded pick-ups found at the bottom of the HB range. I heard striking differences there on videos or in the samples of the Thomann site. The cheap stuff tends to be on the dull side.
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Post by k2347 on Sept 22, 2019 1:45:02 GMT
Well I always wanted a white Paul and figured I would gut this thing as a project.For 141 clams it was a no brainer but to my suprise it is race ready out of the box.Shipped sept 11th from Germany and arrived at my door in Mesa,Arizona sept 20th.I also bought a Harley Benton acoustic/electric and will review this weekend. what model acoustic? It is the Harley Benton HBO-850BK.......and playing it all day today with a slight chorus in my UAD console sounds really mind blowing good.
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Post by k2347 on Sept 22, 2019 1:50:58 GMT
It is a freakin $91 Ovation knockoff that plays and sounds as good as the $1000+ real one in my opinion.We have been screwed by guitar companies for way to long for massive insane profits.
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Post by ttmax on Sept 22, 2019 9:04:26 GMT
In a solid body guitar its essence, seasoning, cutting etc are not as important as in an acoustic guitar, but in any case even if in minor proportions they have their importance and as obvious the differences become more marked when they are used top of the range hardware. Among my hb (those that use the roswell laf) the sonic differences exist even if not striking. Moreover we are talking about instruments all below 200 euro! I am talking about playability before sound. Neck angle and bridge positioning are key to this. I have heard of holy Gibsons with a badly positioned bridge that could never be intonated because they were "hand made", that all so precious pseudo-quality people find in things when they can't judge for themselves and resort to the "price = value" prejudice instead. Mind you, there were reports here of bridge adjustability issues for the SC-450 Plus. Either the neck angle or the carved top were the cause so machine-made appears not to be a guarantee for regularity either. These things, like the cutting of the nut or the regularity of the frets, are essentials. The latter is not a strength of Harley Benton but is easily remedied. John Robson keeps praising the quality of their nuts, and this man who obviously lives in a guitar set-up shed explains how plastic is just as good as anything if cut properly. When it does come to sound, I would be worried about the unbranded pick-ups found at the bottom of the HB range. I heard striking differences there on videos or in the samples of the Thomann site. The cheap stuff tends to be on the dull side. I fully agree with you, especially that an anonymous pickup can never be higher. Gibson, surely there will be ringtones of this brand because they are poorly constructed, as is almost always the case. Otherwise it could not be explained why use epiphone that play and others that it would be better to use in the fireplace. But it is always by direct experience even if in the solid body the hardware is very important, part of the assembly use the same pickup on different guitars to realize it, even if in a less striking way we will realize that there is a difference. A bit like expecting a split humbucker to send out a stratocaster sound, i believe that this It will never happens! So I am more and more convinced that today the boundary between an economic guitar and a brand guitar is much thinner, probably only because materials and construction are practically almost identical, so the difference is often made by assembly. Many (but many) years ago to have a playing instrument or buy one of the classics (fender, Gibson, epiphone etc.) or you had broomsticks. The big difference compared to today is that they cost the right price, they sounded better, and you didn't just buy the logo. If you happen to try a pickup built by Abigal Ybarra and if you love the fender sound you will understand why! Play loud.
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Post by k2347 on Sept 23, 2019 0:00:39 GMT
What I find unbelievable is that people are willing to believe that a solid body guitar, which is just a dumb piece of wood cut by machines equipped with dumb coils of wire on top of dumb magnets, ought to cost 10 times that much before being serviceable. My luthier buddy who builds his own guitars always told me a name brand $4k or more custom shop guitar's cost were less then $400 for materials and these days cnc machines do the rest of the work.Fret job and other minor things aside we are and have been getting ass raped by the major manufacturers for a long time now!
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Post by LeoThunder on Sept 23, 2019 5:35:55 GMT
What I find unbelievable is that people are willing to believe that a solid body guitar, which is just a dumb piece of wood cut by machines equipped with dumb coils of wire on top of dumb magnets, ought to cost 10 times that much before being serviceable. My luthier buddy who builds his own guitars always told me a name brand $4k or more custom shop guitar's cost were less then $400 for materials and these days cnc machines do the rest of the work.Fret job and other minor things aside we are and have been getting ass raped by the major manufacturers for a long time now! An old friend of mine used to say that "there are the screwers and the screwed, what matters is to be on the right side", to which I would reply that the side is too often a pure matter of personal taste. People buy in freely in the stupidities they believe.
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Post by LeoThunder on Sept 23, 2019 6:09:13 GMT
My luthier buddy who builds his own guitars always told me a name brand $4k or more custom shop guitar's cost were less then $400 for materials and these days cnc machines do the rest of the work. To be fair, CNC machines and the place to keep them cost money. So do the various activities to procure, store and coordinate material usage. But in the end, if you order some custom thing from one funny guy making four guitars a year in a shed somewhere in Germany, what you are paying for is three months of running expenses of a German family, including all they need to repay or invest in. You're not buying a guitar as much as acting as a patron for some rare craft in an expensive place. People with a brain realise this and know exactly what they are doing: showing off how much they can spend to have some tailored thing done for them. Dumbf_ck Brandfan, on the other hand, believes he's buying a better guitar. And to a minor extent, he is a little right. A Fender will come with roller string tress you won't find on a Squier.
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