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Post by Djangle on Jan 15, 2020 13:36:58 GMT
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Post by Djangle on Jan 15, 2020 13:43:22 GMT
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DefJef
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Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Jan 15, 2020 17:50:32 GMT
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Post by Djangle on Jan 15, 2020 18:16:37 GMT
Missed that one defjef.......not shifting seems plausible as it is a niche market.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jan 15, 2020 20:03:15 GMT
I do like the little art deco things they build into their guitars. I've not seen one of their guitars that doesn't look good.
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Post by Djangle on Jan 15, 2020 22:53:14 GMT
The guitars they make look stunning and those head stocks are something else but I sometimes think I'd spend more time adniring the thing than actually playing it if I bought one. 12 string electrics are great for a change now and again but most manufacturers except maybe Rickenbacker and Danelectro make the nut width around 48-50 mm which for me becomes a bit tiresome especially if you play with your thumb wrapped over the top. But then on the flip side chording notes cleanly becomes tricky on the thinner necks it's a catch 22.
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DefJef
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Post by DefJef on Jan 15, 2020 23:13:21 GMT
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jan 16, 2020 3:19:35 GMT
I know you boys are talking about the semi hollow guitars but I I love these solid body guitars.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 16, 2020 4:14:02 GMT
Just go tapping and it won't matter
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 16, 2020 5:36:41 GMT
Looking further, it appears both lutes and coursed basses are built with the higher strings below the lower ones (meaning geometrically above in usual playing position): Lutes are meant to be plucked, not strummed or picked but the lower courses, tuned in octave, are usually played with downward strokes of the thumb.
Basses are not a clear cut matter. Tom Petersson, who is credited for pushing thedevelopment of the 4-coursed 12-string bass appears to be a pick player: Of course, a pick usually strikes both ways, so I wonder if this is a general choice. Anyway finger players seem to be fine with it:
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Post by LeoThunder on Jan 16, 2020 10:32:32 GMT
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DefJef
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Post by DefJef on Jan 16, 2020 10:48:58 GMT
Fine bass playing from the chap in the final video LeoThunder although the style shows the problem. In most of his playing he is tugging the strings with his fingers rather than with thumb downstrokes so the fatter strings get struck first sending just a harmonic ring after them from the thinner ones (mind you the function of a bass and the space available plus the much larger gauge... plus the fact that he a has pairs or octave strings may also make a comparison difficult and may facilitate what he's able to do). My experience of the issue is that I don't like the way my thumb sort of slides over the fatter string from the the octave one. Either that or a thumbnail catches on the octave one and twangs it too loudly. In the end I tend to rotate my thumb to use more of the fleshy side to avoid the catching and instead get a rather soft attack! I can never win. I'm sure if I was a dedicated 12 stringer I would adapt and grow my nails to the required shape to get along with it or even stick to plectrum playing, but the 12 string tends to be an occasional instrument so needs to fit in with me rather than me with it. If I can adapt something to my purpose with a simple course of action I'll definitely do it...hence my collection of paperclips, rubber bands and various muting devices plus my eternally travelling sticky blobs of Blu Tac on some of my keyboard keys screaming, "DON'T PLAY THESE!" There is also a tonal difference with the reverse stringing so that the 12 string shimmer tends to be far more subtle. Of course THAT might be a disadvantage if I am only turning to the 12 string for a new tone within an arrangement but I tend to feel that I mostly don't play the 12 string much because it doesn't suit me in it's traditional guise. I've tried the 'tune down a semitone and then capo it' method and it doesn't help me really although it does take some of the very stiff feeling out of the playing. I DID get on with a friend's 12 string acoustic way back in time and I'm starting to wonder now whether THAT was strung in reverse pairs? I know Brian May has strung his 12 strings Rickenbacker style forever. And he plays with a pick! It's our quirks and differences that lead to us being us I guess.
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DefJef
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Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Jan 16, 2020 10:52:33 GMT
I doubt it LeoThunder . It seems like a very sensible design give or take some nut slots ( ). Might be a lot nicer to play than an acoustic because of the string gauge and action. And look at that neck joint. They're really encouraging us to get right up there. I've often looked at that one...especially when found second hand. Get one and tell us!
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