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Post by stringjunkie on Mar 9, 2020 4:09:03 GMT
Hello! I am hoping someone can speak from experience on some unlisted differences between the CST-24 (hardtail) and CST-24T (tremolo) models. I have a friend who received a hardtail model recently and I played with it today, and I was surprised at how light weight it was compared to all the tales of heavy weight, not to mention the neck didn't feel big at all.
I was going to order one of my own, except I was interested in the tremolo version ... however when browsing these forums, it seems people say the tremolo version has a different neck profile and is indeed heavier than the hardtail version. Is this true?
Can anyone speak to this detail? Are the necks and weights different between these two models?
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Post by stringjunkie on Mar 9, 2020 12:31:27 GMT
Just an update - I asked Thomann on chat and they told me there are no differences between the two models other than the tremolo. I specifically asked about the neck measurements and they told me they were the same. Does anyone have a different experience?
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Post by simontemplar on Mar 9, 2020 14:24:48 GMT
Just an update - I asked Thomann on chat and they told me there are no differences between the two models other than the tremolo. I specifically asked about the neck measurements and they told me they were the same. Does anyone have a different experience? I'm not sure if this will be helpful, but I have a CST 24T. I found that it was very light, played fast, and sounded great. I actually liked it so much that I ordered a B-stock version with P90s in it.
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Post by LeoThunder on Mar 9, 2020 14:48:46 GMT
Wood can vary a lot so weight is never a constant. This is why the weight of guitars is never indicated on manufacturer's sites. A vibrato system can get heavier than the wood it replaces so I would expect the CST-24T to replicate this on average. The hardtail comes with a fairly simple wraparound bridge too, so this can make it lighter again.
I would fully trust Thomann on the neck profile being the same. It could have varied with the years, although I never saw any hint of this, and would not impact the decision at hand anyway.
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Post by stringjunkie on Mar 9, 2020 19:09:18 GMT
Thank you; this is indeed very helpful! I could totally see the trem block adding weight; it didn't really occur to me to think about that detail. Thank you so much for the responses!
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Post by LeoThunder on Mar 10, 2020 4:51:03 GMT
My CST-24 is not light. It's got some nice weight behind it. This says absolutely nothing.
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Post by nicolher on Apr 11, 2020 5:53:27 GMT
I sold mine because of the weight. The damn thing felt like a dead donkey (think it was 5.5kg if I recall correctly) I’m looking for a « light » LP style HB myself, any advices ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 11:31:13 GMT
I sold mine because of the weight. The damn thing felt like a dead donkey (think it was 5.5kg if I recall correctly) I’m looking for a « light » LP style HB myself, any advices ? My SC-550 weighs 3,855 kg. Not super light, but it feels great to hold and play.
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Post by jim85iroc on Apr 24, 2020 12:54:55 GMT
Wood can vary a lot so weight is never a constant. This is why the weight of guitars is never indicated on manufacturer's sites. A vibrato system can get heavier than the wood it replaces so I would expect the CST-24T to replicate this on average. The hardtail comes with a fairly simple wraparound bridge too, so this can make it lighter again. I would fully trust Thomann on the neck profile being the same. It could have varied with the years, although I never saw any hint of this, and would not impact the decision at hand anyway.Yup. I have 2 CST-24Ts, their weight varies significantly. One is a nice comfortable 7.5lbs, and the other one is 8.5lbs. The difference is quite apparent when you pick them up.
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Post by jim85iroc on Apr 24, 2020 12:55:37 GMT
Wood can vary a lot so weight is never a constant. This is why the weight of guitars is never indicated on manufacturer's sites. A vibrato system can get heavier than the wood it replaces so I would expect the CST-24T to replicate this on average. The hardtail comes with a fairly simple wraparound bridge too, so this can make it lighter again. I would fully trust Thomann on the neck profile being the same. It could have varied with the years, although I never saw any hint of this, and would not impact the decision at hand anyway. Yup. I have 2 CST-24Ts, their weight varies significantly. One is a nice comfortable 7.5lbs, and the other one is 8.5lbs. The difference is quite apparent when you pick them up. The necks feel identical, and both were equally well set up. The only difference besides the weight, is that the neck pickup sounds quite different between the two. I haven't fooled around with swapping the pickups yet to figure out specifically why, but my guess is that it's more of a tolerance stackup in the pots & caps than anything to do with the pickups or the body weight.
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 24, 2020 13:03:54 GMT
The only difference besides the weight, is that the neck pickup sounds quite different between the two. I haven't fooled around with swapping the pickups yet to figure out specifically why, but my guess is that it's more of a tolerance stackup in the pots & caps than anything to do with the pickups or the body weight. Tolerance on the value of the volume pot could make a difference. I don't know how much variation modern pick-ups, likely machine wound, can present but their height is another potential source of variation. It only takes a turn of the screws to affect level and clarity. Then there are strings, of course.
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Post by graoully on Apr 25, 2020 6:56:05 GMT
About guitar weight...his conclusion : choose the lighter
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 25, 2020 7:42:26 GMT
Within reasonable limits, yes. At some point it gets so light the body starts vibrating away the bass and the instrument ends up sounding thinner. We do hear it in that video, by the way. That said, EQ can repair some of that. Bass is never really the issue. Loss of high end is the more difficult problem to correct. If your humbuckers swallow the attack on strings, it's gone for good.
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