validor
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Post by validor on Nov 26, 2018 17:09:15 GMT
Hello,
First post. Like to read some of the posts.
Would greatly appreciate a recommendation for a replacement set of locking tuners for a CST-24 Deluxe. Links will be great.
Also, is the nut on your CST-24 glued ? Mine is just being held in place by the strings & the truss-rode plastic cover. It wiggles a tiny bit every time the tremolo arm is used which is causing the guitar to go out of tune mostly upwards. I filed the nut gently but it has little effect. It's lubed from both ends ( no pun ) and the neck is i an OK position. Any tips how to keep this one in tune ? It has a nice sound but the workmanship is horrible. Even for it's prices.
Thank you in advance for you advise.
Validor.
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Post by LeoThunder on Nov 26, 2018 18:07:17 GMT
I never heard of a floating nut before. I suppose it is meant to be glued.
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Post by micoli on Nov 26, 2018 19:14:05 GMT
I use a dab of PVA glue to keep my nuts in place. I find it less noticeable than a truss. But seriously ....
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validor
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Post by validor on Nov 27, 2018 7:31:21 GMT
Leo, exactly. So much for Thomann's QA I guess.
Micoli, some days, no matter what I do, I can't keep my nuts in place :-)
Thank you both for the tips.
Any idea as to which tuners will fit for this one ? Any 10MM in width with the same screw placement in a 3L&3R config ?
Cheers.
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Post by LeoThunder on Nov 27, 2018 7:58:09 GMT
This is a recurring observation I make with Harley Benton guitars, either from own experience or reported by others here. They come with all sorts of little issues which are easily fixed or improved at low cost. Che just explained how he got a recent Dynamic with a shimmed neck and found out it had been a workaround to two of the screws (or bolts?) being a little too long. He filed them. I'll have to replace the tone pots in my SC-450Plus with better ones. I had to re-wire an old B-400 for proper function and will have to file the nut for better action (the files are in the mail…). Now you have to glue the nut back on a CST-24. It seems Harley Benton can make someone very happy who's willing to do a bit of fixing or fine tuning himself, and I'm not even talking of upgrading major parts here like pick-ups or bridge. Someone who will rather spend more money to get things right out of the box will probably be better served elsewhere. I wish I could help with locking tuners but I never looked into them. Not changing strings often, I don't feel I need the feature.
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validor
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Post by validor on Nov 27, 2018 8:55:07 GMT
Thanks Leo.
Any recommendation for none locking tuners ? Also, any idea if the tuners used are the typical 10MM kind ?
Thanks again.
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Post by LeoThunder on Nov 27, 2018 10:03:43 GMT
I'm afraid I'm the boring kind who's been happy with any set of tuners he's got so far, even on the cheapest guitars. I don't see what the fuss is all about with people demonstrating guitars and systematically questioning the quality of nut and tuners, saying they'll be the first things they replace. Most of the time, they can't even say why. If they were to say this tuner is hard and that one is softer or that one's gripped, they are inconsistent or unpleasant to use, I would accept it (and sometime they do) but mostly they just go "oh, this is a cheap guitar, so this must be bad and worth replacing", exposing no more than prejudice. The same goes with nuts. Tuners do not really impact tuning stability, only the process of tuning. The way strings are wrapped around the post makes a difference. This is worth looking into. Locking tuners make this simpler, more comfortable. I have inconsistent tuners on my ST-62, some turn harder than others. I don't particularly enjoy the plastic things on my SC-450 Plus. I don't mind. Tuning is a 2 mn chore anyway, not something I do for the fun of it, so they'll stay. If I had to replace tuners, I'd want some with split shaft. They are the bass style tuners in which the string is cut and inserted vertically inside the shaft, then bent at a right angle and so locked in place. Simplest solution ever. That sort (yes, they look goofy - it's the traditional goofy tuner look - but I'm not replacing them): Nut material mostly impacts their cutting. If they are well cut, there is no point replacing them and if they are cut too high, a set of files is the easier fix. So my recommendation is to fix the nut and decide if you still want different tuners.
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Post by DerAlex on Nov 27, 2018 12:14:50 GMT
I'm afraid I'm the boring kind who's been happy with any set of tuners he's got so far, even on the cheapest guitars. I don't see what the fuss is all about with people demonstrating guitars and systematically questioning the quality of nut and tuners, saying they'll be the first things they replace. Most of the time, they can't even say why. I had some older HBs (like the E35 and the L450 GT) and they had very stiff tuners. It was really hard to get the guitar in tune. This is why I change tuners - and I agree, most of them are good enough on any guitar I own(ed).
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Post by salteedog on Nov 27, 2018 14:09:00 GMT
Another vote here. Most tuners are fine. This isn't Swiss-watch mechanics we are talking here. String wrapping and properly cut nuts are where the magic is.
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validor
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Post by validor on Nov 27, 2018 14:16:17 GMT
Thanks for the comments. I have a Tusk Nut as a replacement on the way which will be glued and that's a promise. This will hopefully resolve or reduce the upward drift in tune after each tremolo use. The tuners on the guitar I got are preforming with an uneven stiffness from one to the other. One requires a lot of muscle to turn and the other is very smooth or almost loose. I'm sorry to say the instrument feels a little unstable unlike some of the other guitars I own but cheap is cheap. No takers for an answers about the diameter of the tuners ? Thanks again.
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Post by LeoThunder on Nov 27, 2018 14:31:11 GMT
Current models do:
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Post by LeoThunder on Nov 27, 2018 14:54:04 GMT
I never wondered what these screws were for. Now I find out it fixes that one shaky tuner I had on my old B-400. I also found out flatwound strings can be cleaned and sound like new too. This cheapest of all my guitars keeps getting better.
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