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Post by salteedog on Feb 1, 2019 14:36:53 GMT
For what it's worth, what is your reference for your ideal desired driven tone? Something by Brian May or Gilmore or ? Just wondering where in the broad spectrum of guitar tone you are aiming for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 15:08:07 GMT
I remember plugging my ex-American Sound into V55's FX Loop and I didn't like it. At first I thought it sounded great but the next day it sounded very anemic. So I sold the AS pedal. I had American Sound twice in my possession and I've got rid of it twice. Thats me and AS done and done I think defjef might be going for that flute like Muff sustain a la Gilmour solo sound. I might be wrong though. I really dislike these "lead/solo" parts. Love when bands avoid it entirelly and just focus on the main melody and then enter into a kind of Intermezzo that also tells a story without going all solo-y. But thats just me.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Feb 1, 2019 15:09:55 GMT
For what it's worth, what is your reference for your ideal desired driven tone? Something by Brian May or Gilmore or ? Just wondering where in the broad spectrum of guitar tone you are aiming for. I've thought about asking that but was not sure if it would be viewed as an impertinent question. I can never decide if tone is a permanent thing, people say for example so and so's tone is this or uses that effect. Sometimes I hear different tones form the same player on different compasitions. Maybe just me, I tend to try and find what I think is a bluesy sound if their is such a thing. But then if I'm messing about with rockier stuff I'll use fuzz, distortion,boost and other effects. If that makes sense. If your using just a clean sound, I can see advantages of one amp over another.
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Post by DefJef on Feb 1, 2019 15:21:16 GMT
It's a very relevant question, salteedog . Certainly more Gilmour than May, although both of them have so many tones. I suppose I'm looking for aggression without brattiness. Not looking to copy a tone, but for grittiness I've always loved these sounds. For creaminess I can't shake of any off the tones in Shine on you Crazy Diamond Parts...whatever! Some of those are pretty clean and I can certainly look into pedal matching. There is a fine Gilmour website that explains which pedals to avoid when using Marshall style, Vox style or Fender style amps; you don't want to scoop an already scooped amp or beef up the mids in an already midsy amp. But which style is the Bugera? My mind says Fender but how do I know if it's mids scooped or not? I realise I can go off and see what pedals were being used with what equipment, and that there will always be the problem of volume, studio overdubs and so on. I guess I should really be looking for the sort of tone someone is getting out of an amp with NO pedals and then by adding some. I just feel as though the underlying platform is not quite right or, if it is, then can I just get away with using my Champ or the Katana by stacking the same pedals? I've not got a satisfactory solid state overdrive from the Kat or my Boss ME-70 yet. I have one programmed in for a chordal break in one song that we do live and I always have no confidence in it feeling right. I'm really interested to see what that Blackstar HT Dual Sounds like now I have a comparison valve overdrive to compare it with. I also wonder if it may complement the Bug beautifully.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 15:31:00 GMT
I used the Tube Screamer into Bugera V55 and man that was a boxy nasal tone so certainly not suitable for the V55 Blue Light Bugera. I used the NUX Drive Core on Bugera V5 8" Turbosound speaker and it sounded so darn good, especially when I also boost the Low End on the pedal. I find V55 has enough Mids , so much I always tend to lower them as much as possible. My CKK Lunar Drive is not a Screamer Style pedal and sounds great into the V55. Im sure Bugera has something incommon with Matchless so if we figure out what Matchless is trying to copy ...
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DefJef
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Post by DefJef on Feb 1, 2019 15:32:32 GMT
I remember plugging my ex-American Sound into V55's FX Loop and I didn't like it. At first I thought it sounded great but the next day it sounded very anemic. So I sold the AS pedal. I had American Sound twice in my possession and I've got rid of it twice. Thats me and AS done and done I think defjef might be going for that flute like Muff sustain a la Gilmour solo sound. I might be wrong though. I really dislike these "lead/solo" parts. Love when bands avoid it entirelly and just focus on the main melody and then enter into a kind of Intermezzo that also tells a story without going all solo-y. But thats just me. That sounds about right as I mentioned the Wish You Were Here album sounds. I want to be able to play little melodic structured solos like songs in themselves. Sometimes they may be only two bars long but act like punctuation. Other times I want some Jonny Greenwood madness. I've not looked into his tone generators. Plus I do like the sounds that Ed O'Brien also gets. He tends to cover the more melodic end of Radiohead's arrangements and are always pretty nice. Think I should put some CDs on and do some tone analysis.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 15:35:13 GMT
Sometimes I want a big overdriven chord to add punch, way down in the mix and panned away to the left or right. Instead I tend to get a small and cheap overdriven sound. I will say it once more and then NEVER again repeat this to you my dear Tele brother You NEED the B+N In SERIES for what you describe! (goes totally silent on this subject or on subject of moddeling amps or advising people to try out tube amps )
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DefJef
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Post by DefJef on Feb 1, 2019 15:35:49 GMT
I used the Tube Screamer into Bugera V55 and man that was a boxy nasal tone so certainly not suitable for the V55 Blue Light Bugera. I used the NUX Drive Core on Bugera V5 8" Turbosound speaker and it sounded so darn good, especially when I also boost the Low End on the pedal. I find V55 has enough Mids , so much I always tend to lower them as much as possible. My CKK Lunar Drive is not a Screamer Style pedal and sounds great into the V55. Im sure Bugera has something incommon with Matchless so if we figure out what Matchless is trying to copy ... Interesting that you think the Bug may be more flat in character, like a Vox. Certainly a Tubescreamer could then add too much in the mids area creating that boxiness. I have an OCD clone pedal that I'll be using and I'm wondering how a boost pedal that I have may sound into the front end and in the loop (bit unconventional in the loop but could be interesting).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 15:51:09 GMT
You seem to be mentioning this too often in this thread, which worries me as Im starting to think this Infinium V22 might be less dynamic than the old Non-Infinium V55 I have. Im actually considering to buy the V22 Infinium Combo as I will get more for my money that way than by getting the Head. That Blue Turbosound speaker is well matched with these latest models. But! If that Infinium is choking the tubes a bit so to control their Life Expectancy and by doing that reducing their dynamics then ... hm, maybe I should just give all the money I have into the VOX AC10 c1 so to get that Boiling Tubes tone when cranked. The Infinium might be running on cold tubes! Hm ...
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