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Post by jayjacque on Apr 20, 2019 14:18:54 GMT
It's kind of confusing but I'll attempt to ask this anyway:
My question is, out of the guitars with coil splitting LAF humbuckers such as XT-22, SC450plus, HB-35plus, SC Custom, a few Fusion models, and CST-24HB, which of these can individually coil split each humbucker, so that in middle position you would have one humbucker coil split and the other humbucker still on full? It seems like a few of these, like the SC Custom and CST-24HB look like they may only have one push-pull knob, meaning in the middle position would automatically make both humbuckers coil split (which I'd think would be a pretty weak sound), rather than having individual control of each humbucker?
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Post by salteedog on Apr 20, 2019 14:42:25 GMT
The CST24 - coil split splits both humbuckers when in middle position. There is only one push-pull pot on board.
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chubbles
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Post by chubbles on Apr 21, 2019 12:42:24 GMT
SC-450plus
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 21, 2019 13:33:06 GMT
The SC-450 Plus and HB-35 Plus do this. My SC-7 doesn't so I assume the SC-Custom doesn't either, the push-pull being on the single tone control.
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Post by roberto on Apr 22, 2019 5:11:58 GMT
Yes in the SC Custom the push-pull being on the single tone control so the middle position make both humbuckers coil split and the sound is weak and you need to boost it to balance.
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 22, 2019 6:37:37 GMT
…the middle position make both humbuckers coil split and the sound is weak and you need to boost it to balance. Yes, that's the logical consequence of using half the coil. Now, I saw someone say that some guitars solve that problem and it might even have been Henning demonstrating one of the Fusion models. I can think of an easy way of doing it by castrating the full humbuckers down to half the output by simply adding a resistance in series with the volume pot in full mode. It would also make the humbucker sound brighter, which sort of fits what is being said of the Fusion. I guess it would require a triple switch, one to short the added resistor and two to short each half of the pick-ups. Would any Fusion owner care to take a look?
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Post by roberto on Apr 22, 2019 7:26:53 GMT
…the middle position make both humbuckers coil split and the sound is weak and you need to boost it to balance. Yes, that's the logical consequence of using half the coil. Now, I saw someone say that some guitars solve that problem and it might even have been Henning demonstrating one of the Fusion models. I can think of an easy way of doing it by castrating the full humbuckers down to half the output by simply adding a resistance in series with the volume pot in full mode. It would also make the humbucker sound brighter, which sort of fits what is being said of the Fusion. I guess it would require a triple switch, one to short the added resistor and two to short each half of the pick-ups. Would any Fusion owner care to take a look? I will take a look in the nex days for Fusion. Now i can say that the sound of this model is more organic than other models i own. The coil split is more balanced in volume and frequencies and don't necessarily needs boosting.
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 22, 2019 7:28:16 GMT
I suppose this would work: Using a pot instead of a plain resistor makes the balancing adjustable. The value should be the same as that of the volume pot to enable for full compensation (minus the DC resistance of the full pick-up so that's some 490K instead of 500 - not worth considering), and halving of the humbucker signal. This solution requires two resistors or pots but no additional switch, so a standard double switch can be used, as found in a push-pull pot. The balancing pots are kept inside the cavity.
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 22, 2019 7:34:23 GMT
Yes, that's the logical consequence of using half the coil. Now, I saw someone say that some guitars solve that problem and it might even have been Henning demonstrating one of the Fusion models. I can think of an easy way of doing it by castrating the full humbuckers down to half the output by simply adding a resistance in series with the volume pot in full mode. It would also make the humbucker sound brighter, which sort of fits what is being said of the Fusion. I guess it would require a triple switch, one to short the added resistor and two to short each half of the pick-ups. Would any Fusion owner care to take a look? I will take a look in the nex days for Fusion. Now i can say that the sound of this model is more organic than other models i own. The coil split is more balanced in volume and frequencies and don't necessarily needs boosting. If there is such a circuit, then you could trade the balancing for a fatter, louder humbucker sound. Making it adjustable could be nice.
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Post by roberto on Apr 23, 2019 7:09:22 GMT
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 23, 2019 7:59:02 GMT
Nothing in sight indeed. Of course, such a resistor could be within the pick-up itself or they could be wound asymmetrically for the purpose of not being "split in half", the same way a single coil would not be tapped right at the middle of the winding.
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