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Post by taurash on Feb 2, 2020 16:15:33 GMT
Yes, with the same EMG 81/60. The difference come from the wood. On my EC-1000, the bodywood dry and brittle. So brittle that the screw that hold the strap lock on the neck side came out of the guitar one day when I was playing standing ! The EC-1000 in general is much thinner than the HB SC-1000. The Benton is 15mm thicker and I'm sure it makes a big difference in tone. The thickness brings more low end and I like having low end. Especially with an EMG 81, which tone is full of trebble and hi-mids. I don't believe in thickness or wood making a significant difference but I know metal can. Fret and sadle material, in direct contact with strings, does impact tone. Maybe the HB has softer metal. Ok. Take on of your guitar, the thickest one. Play and record. Cut 10mm off the back of it. Play and record again. No difference ? Sorry that you don't believe in this Leo, but I do. Cos I've heard many times how thickness matters. How wood changes tone. Metal ? Well on my Dean, I've changed the bridge. The new one has saddles covered with Teflon when the old one was all metal. I heard a difference when I was playing unplugged, with the new bridge I had less resonance. I thought I would have less brightness when recording. Well... Not at all. It didn't change anything. At the end of the day I came back to the old bridge cos the space between the saddles is bigger and I felt better with it but I still have the one with Teflon. I can record a demo with both bridges whenever you wan, Leo.
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Post by LeoThunder on Feb 2, 2020 16:38:15 GMT
I don't believe in thickness or wood making a significant difference but I know metal can. Fret and sadle material, in direct contact with strings, does impact tone. Maybe the HB has softer metal. Ok. Take on of your guitar, the thickest one. Play and record. Cut 10mm off the back of it. Play and record again. No difference ? Not to the point of calling one "much better" than the other. Here: I do hear some difference, but nothing I would care for. At least not until most of the body is gone. On the other hand, here is a comparison of saddles which I find more convincing: I find graphite rounder, duller. The rest is minimally different from one another. And for good measure, something about frets: More sparkle with stainless steel but nothing that would make me buy it. Wood makes a subtle difference: Honestly, I don't care for any of the differences exposed above. Strings, pick-ups and electronics are where the decisive stuff takes place. All the rest is hype. I get more tone difference from various picks, picking spots and technique than from any of the magic materials sellers are praising to potential buyers. A small secret: use a thinner pick for more high end.
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Post by taurash on Feb 2, 2020 18:44:23 GMT
I'll be watching all these vids later on. As far as my personal tastes are concerned, and when it comes to play with an EMG 81, a thicker guitar is better, if they bith have the same wood. I wouldn't say the same thing if the guitar has an EMG 57 or fat 55 in the bridge. I agree that the bigger difference factors among all those quoted above are pickups and strings. But the real big one, the one that not enough people care about, is the cab. This guy's demo says it all. thanks for the tip about picks
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Post by taurash on Feb 2, 2020 19:09:03 GMT
Just been watching the videos and I haw a few things to say.
About cutting parts of the body, I think Darrell got it wrong. He should have tried remowing 10mm thickness, cos that's what matters. As he says the shape means nothing, the width, the lenght... No matter ! But thickness makes a difference. I've heard this experience thanks to a friend who had an Epiphone He wanted to repaint. So he sanded it, and since he finded it too thick, he decided to remove a bigger part of the body. He played the guitar as such, before painting it cos he was curious about the result and he noticed he had lost a lot of the bass. But that's what he wanted so it was ok for him.
About the wood test : playing 4 chords in a 5 seconds test is not enough to hear the difference, considering they won't be big. A 30 seconds test would be more interesting, and he doesn't have to play with the 3 pickups.
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Post by LeoThunder on Feb 3, 2020 5:40:21 GMT
Yes, of course amplifier and cab have the largest role in the sound of an electric guitar. It even starts with the angle of the speaker in relation to the listener. It's obvious but it's not something tied to the instrument, so it has no place in comparisons, no more than strings, picks or players. Salesmen can then hype minimal differences about any wood type or replaceable part. Regarding picks, I mostly use 0.71 mm but with the SC-450 Plus or the CST-24 HB, both with Roswell LAF, I go down to 0.58 or 0.46 to get some of the attack back. It's cheaper than replacing pick-ups I wonder how thickness can make a particular difference. Given the speed of sound in wood, a 5 cm thickness is the wavelength of 28 KHz, half the wavelength of 14KHz. This is nowhere within the realm of bass so I suppose we can rule out acoustic reflection within the body as a factor of EQ. For some reason, active EQ is common in basses but not at all in tenor guitars (that's what they're called, right?). I wonder why.
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Post by LeoThunder on Feb 3, 2020 6:12:45 GMT
This guy is right about cabs and tone. The guitar delivers the source signal, limitations there can be real issues. Dull strings, missing sustain, muddy pick-ups, wrong notes or silly music cannot be compensated further down. The amplifier mostly contributes distortion, when wanted, but the cab shapes the face of the sound, so to say. To me, the guitar is most important for its ergonomy: body shape and set-up matter first, neck profile, string spacing, string gauge, these are the things to look at. Then I only like them if they look good to me. I was about to say that Marshall cab was disgusting then he called it "really ****ty". I'm fine with that
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