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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 21:35:28 GMT
Is it even possible to get a decent sound through a guitar tube amp head and a bass cab? I am looking at all sorts of combinations and would really love to have a tube amp (which I can also use for guitar) for bass playing but all bass tube heads are so darn expensive and Im trying to stay away from solid state amps. Guitar tube heads are far less cost and Im looking at the Kustom Defender 5H tube head and the Harley Benton BB115T bass cab with a horn (I think horn is needed if playing a guitar through this cab). Is this a valid option or am I just joking myself? And please all you lovely bass heads out there don't come with answers such as "producer switch" and similar or "its in your fingers" and such. I need some gear geek opinions ya know Ok, lets rock!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 21:39:01 GMT
Oh and I forgot; I would run the Behringer V-Tone Bass BDI21 preamp into the tube amp to have some control over the EQ and such
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Post by blablas on Nov 26, 2015 22:10:07 GMT
I know it's possible to make a bass sound good with a full tube guitar combo. I'm using a Bugera V22 Infunium for 'that' tube sound on bass, despite being only 22 Watts it's more than suitable for home use and it can go a lot louder than my neighbors are happy with.
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Post by freekingprawn on Nov 26, 2015 23:35:57 GMT
The guitarist of Tool uses a Bass Cab and 2 guitar cabs in his setup. And I don't think he is the only one either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 13:56:20 GMT
Ok so its a valid option to get a tube amp head and a bass cab + bass preamp. Will save some money for those ... unless Deko instruments ruin my economy
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Post by JAC on Nov 27, 2015 20:20:01 GMT
If you are using a bass cab and pre, then the tube amp is no problem as it is only providing the power stage. The only thing you need to remember is that it takes more power to create bass than guitar frequencies. As blablas says, his amp is more than enough for home use, but I bet it is a hell of a lot louder with a guitar through it than bass.
As for the mix of bass and guitar cabs, like freekingpawn describes, most of the time these are used on rigs where the lows and mids/highs are divided, sending the higher frequencies to the guitar cabs. This seems to be particularly useful when using effects. If you check out Stanley Clarke's rig rundown on premiere guitar, I believe he sends his effects through a Marshall guitar combo (if I remember correctly).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 20:34:43 GMT
If you are using a bass cab and pre, then the tube amp is no problem as it is only providing the power stage. ... As for the mix of bass and guitar cabs, like freekingpawn describes, most of the time these are used on rigs where the lows and mids/highs are divided, sending the higher frequencies to the guitar cabs. This seems to be particularly useful when using effects. If you check out Stanley Clarke's rig rundown on premiere guitar, I believe he sends his effects through a Marshall guitar combo ... All right now we're talking proper geek language and I like it This is new to me, I mean that Stanley use guitar amps for FX and then Bass cab I suppose for the bottom end. Ok now I have some more info to contemplate about (idea) Ok, this idea of mine might come to be. This way I have a tube head for both me guitars and me bass! Nice! Thanks lads for the tips, most helpful they were
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Post by blablas on Nov 27, 2015 20:41:45 GMT
As blablas says, his amp is more than enough for home use, but I bet it is a hell of a lot louder with a guitar through it than bass. Never tried it loud with a guitar (I'm not good enough on these things to dare go loud ). JAC makes a good point. To move air at low frequencies you need to input more power into a speaker than with high(er) frequencies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 22:56:20 GMT
Does a preamp or a booster pedal help with providing more "power" ?
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Post by blablas on Nov 27, 2015 23:33:01 GMT
Only a tiny fraction, most of it comes from the power amp - As the name already suggests.
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Post by JAC on Nov 28, 2015 15:07:48 GMT
Does a preamp or a booster pedal help with providing more "power" ? Mainly the preamp increases the signal going into the amplifier. Basically, if the voltage of the signal going into an amp is too low, then the amp will not be able to convert this into amplified power. Most (99.9%) guitar and bass amps have preamps already built in, but things like a power amp don't. So, if you were to plug a guitar directly into a power amp, you would probably get either no signal, or a very bad one, which a preamp fixes. (There is also the issue of Hi-Z and Lo-Z, but I'll explain that at another time) A lot of people prefer certain preamps either in pedal/rack form or built into the bass, so they use this in font of their guitar or bass amp. This sometimes make the signal too hot for the amp, which is why a lot of bass amps have an active and passive setting or input. The active setting/input basically dampens the input so the the signal is not too hot. Another option is to run the preamp directly into the effects return of an amp, which bypasses the amps built in preamp. I hope this makes sense.
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