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Post by marit on May 31, 2016 23:04:28 GMT
Received it today!  There's the giveaway marit . The Firebird didn't share a pickup with the LP deluxe. I hope it gives you the tone you need but I think Gibson should be ashamed of themselves misleading the public like that. They CAN'T not know that they developed a different pickup for there own guitar. Just hope Mr Young was equally misled and bought one and has since claimed it was a Firebird pickup. You never know  Interesting  So when going to Gibsons page for the Firebird, they refer to the pickups as 'Traditional Firebird mini-humbuckers'. What's funny is many people with a Firebird guitar don't like the stock pups and change 'em for something else. Then for the LP Deluxe, Gibson refer to those pickups as 'mini-humbucking pickups'. I don't know if there might be a size difference between these 2, because Seymour Duncan don't say their 'Firebird' pickups fit into a P90, whereas the mini-humbucking pickups do. This is where the creme frame comes in handy, whereas Neil's is fitted with a chrome looking frame as seen on the Firebird. They must've changed something inside the guitar to make it fit. Article underneath explains the differences. www.300guitars.com/articles/gibson-mini-humbucker-vs-gibson-firebird-pickup/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 23:18:45 GMT
There's the giveaway marit . The Firebird didn't share a pickup with the LP deluxe. I hope it gives you the tone you need but I think Gibson should be ashamed of themselves misleading the public like that. They CAN'T not know that they developed a different pickup for there own guitar. Just hope Mr Young was equally misled and bought one and has since claimed it was a Firebird pickup. You never know Interesting So when going to Gibsons page for the Firebird, they refer to the pickups as 'Traditional Firebird mini-humbuckers'. What's funny is many people with a Firebird guitar don't like the stock pups and change 'em for something else. Then for the LP Deluxe, Gibson refer to those pickups as 'mini-humbucking pickups'. I don't know if there might be a size difference between these 2, because Seymour Duncan don't say their 'Firebird' pickups fit into a P90, whereas the mini-humbucking pickups do. This is where the creme frame comes in handy, whereas Neil's is fitted with a chrome looking frame as seen on the Firebird. They must've changed something inside the guitar to make it fit. Article underneath explains the differences. www.300guitars.com/articles/gibson-mini-humbucker-vs-gibson-firebird-pickup/Exactly marit. The pickup we all know as the 'mini humbucker' was an Epiphone one that Gibson found useful to fit into their relaunched Deluxe because it could be adapted to replace a P90. It was essentially a PAF style pickup but 'mini' and so called to AVOID confusion with a full sized PAF type. The Firebird's pickup should not even really be referred to as a mini humbucker as there should be no confusion - it is its own unique design. For Gibson to refer to it as a mini humbucker is adding to the confusion and is just wrong. I have a book called the Electric Guitar Sourcebook which repeats the mistake so its no wonder people are baffled. I wonder if Gibson will answer my email? |
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Post by marit on May 31, 2016 23:31:41 GMT
Interesting So when going to Gibsons page for the Firebird, they refer to the pickups as 'Traditional Firebird mini-humbuckers'. What's funny is many people with a Firebird guitar don't like the stock pups and change 'em for something else. Then for the LP Deluxe, Gibson refer to those pickups as 'mini-humbucking pickups'. I don't know if there might be a size difference between these 2, because Seymour Duncan don't say their 'Firebird' pickups fit into a P90, whereas the mini-humbucking pickups do. This is where the creme frame comes in handy, whereas Neil's is fitted with a chrome looking frame as seen on the Firebird. They must've changed something inside the guitar to make it fit. Article underneath explains the differences. www.300guitars.com/articles/gibson-mini-humbucker-vs-gibson-firebird-pickup/Exactly marit . The pickup we all know as the 'mini humbucker' was an Epiphone one that Gibson found useful to fit into their relaunched Deluxe because it could be adapted to replace a P90. It was essentially a PAF style pickup but 'mini' and so called to AVOID confusion with a full sized PAF type. The Firebird's pickup should not even really be referred to as a mini humbucker as there should be no confusion - it is its own unique design. For Gibson to refer to it as a mini humbucker is adding to the confusion and is just wrong. I have a book called the Electric Guitar Sourcebook which repeats the mistake so its no wonder people are baffled. I wonder if Gibson will answer my email? Neil's guitar tech: Cragg installed the Firebird pickup back in 1973. “Originally there was a P90 in there,” he explains. “But in the early Seventies the guitar was lost, and when Neil recovered it a few years later the bridge pickup was gone. He put a Gretsch DeArmond in there for a while, but when I came onboard I replaced that with the Firebird, which has been there ever since. Everyone calls it a mini humbucker, but it’s not. It’s a humbucker, and it’s very microphonic—you can speak into it. It’s really piercing and high and a big part of his sound.” I do highly wonder whether they wll come back to you, how long has it been since you sent the email? They must've had that question a thousand times and I do wonder what they have to say on the issue. Where did you email them to? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 9:57:45 GMT
Exactly marit . The pickup we all know as the 'mini humbucker' was an Epiphone one that Gibson found useful to fit into their relaunched Deluxe because it could be adapted to replace a P90. It was essentially a PAF style pickup but 'mini' and so called to AVOID confusion with a full sized PAF type. The Firebird's pickup should not even really be referred to as a mini humbucker as there should be no confusion - it is its own unique design. For Gibson to refer to it as a mini humbucker is adding to the confusion and is just wrong. I have a book called the Electric Guitar Sourcebook which repeats the mistake so its no wonder people are baffled. I wonder if Gibson will answer my email? Neil's guitar tech: Cragg installed the Firebird pickup back in 1973. “Originally there was a P90 in there,” he explains. “But in the early Seventies the guitar was lost, and when Neil recovered it a few years later the bridge pickup was gone. He put a Gretsch DeArmond in there for a while, but when I came onboard I replaced that with the Firebird, which has been there ever since. Everyone calls it a mini humbucker, but it’s not. It’s a humbucker, and it’s very microphonic—you can speak into it. It’s really piercing and high and a big part of his sound.” I do highly wonder whether they wll come back to you, how long has it been since you sent the email? They must've had that question a thousand times and I do wonder what they have to say on the issue. Where did you email them to? Hi marit. I only sent the email when this question began popping up in our conversations and you pointed me at their online shop so might have only been Saturday or something. We'll give them a bit of time to prove they are not as bad as Bigsby (whose email link on their own website doesn't work and hasn't for at least as long as I've been trying to contact them - so I resorted to Facebook messages, Facebook comments and twitter, but still to no avail). It's totally wrong of them to be even contemplating selling an Epiphone mini humbucker to somebody who is requesting a Firebird pickup. A Firebird pickup should no more be called a 'mini humbucker' than a strat's dual rail one should except by an ignorant sales person or a charlatan. Yes they are humbuckers and yes they are smaller than a PAF style but 'mini humbucker'? NO. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 12:39:19 GMT
After a second email send this is Gibson's reply:
Hi, thanks for the email. Unfortunately, the Firebird pickups are only used for production models, and are not sold separately by us. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Jon Sutherland
Gibson Customer Service
They have not even answered the question that I put to them about why they are saying the mini humbucker is a Firebird humbucker. I will push them further.
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Post by salteedog on Jun 7, 2016 14:17:40 GMT
Good luck getting an answer. Your question will need to get past the support team to get to a product manager apparatchik who knows that the blame is with some other marketing apparatchik but he/she cannot be seen to be blaming his colleagues incompetence/sloppiness especially to a customer/potential customer.
When you do get an answer it will be of the sort - "Thank you for your email. We will look into the material you highlighted and get back to you with an appropriate clarification. Again thank you for considering Gibson for all you guitar needs".
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Post by salteedog on Jun 7, 2016 14:18:25 GMT
I know because I have been a corporate apparatchik for many years  |
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Post by marit on Jun 7, 2016 14:21:45 GMT
After a second email send this is Gibson's reply: Hi, thanks for the email. Unfortunately, the Firebird pickups are only used for production models, and are not sold separately by us. Sorry for the inconvenience. Jon Sutherland Gibson Customer Service They have not even answered the question that I put to them about why they are saying the mini humbucker is a Firebird humbucker. I will push them further. How lame. It's incredible that a company like Gibson or Gretsch refuse to answer to your questions! Yet Thomann will do their upmost to try and figure it out with you. Keep me posted! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 14:28:35 GMT
I'm on it. So far it's Fender 3, Gibson 1, Bigsby 0.
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Post by Abel on Jun 7, 2016 17:01:21 GMT
I've emailed Gibson a while ago about a rumoured reissue of the Epiphone Century archtop and they never answered me. A day later I spotted it on Thomann's website and a week or so later they officially announced it on their website.  |
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