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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 7, 2018 12:51:19 GMT
From ebay £15, got this to boost clean channel on my joyo bantamp meteor.
True bypass.
Gain control.
Clean boost
Simple booster for clean channel, good amount of range with the gain control. If you want a pedal to increase volume of your clean channel this does the job nicely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 22:04:37 GMT
I went for the Kokko one to do a similar thing and it works great into a valve amp to add some breakup. But, since you mentioned it, I wondered what it would do to give me more clean volume to my Katana's clean channel and it was excellent. Being a solid state it didn't lead to valvey crunch just more volume - something that the on board booster doesn't seem to do transparently. I'm so glad you brought it up, blindwilly3fingers, I may be able to use my Katana live after all. And because the Kokko has bass and treble EQ as well I can reduce some of the Katana's brightness too. I can see that some experiments will be done soon somewhere that doesn't mind noisy tests.  |
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 8, 2018 0:38:59 GMT
I went for the Kokko one to do a similar thing and it works great into a valve amp to add some breakup. But, since you mentioned it, I wondered what it would do to give me more clean volume to my Katana's clean channel and it was excellent. Being a solid state it didn't lead to valvey crunch just more volume - something that the on board booster doesn't seem to do transparently. I'm so glad you brought it up, blindwilly3fingers, I may be able to use my Katana live after all. And because the Kokko has bass and treble EQ as well I can reduce some of the Katana's brightness too. I can see that some experiments will be done soon somewhere that doesn't mind noisy tests. I did look at the Kokko and the Caline one that has bass & treble controls. Went for the Mosky because I was not sure if the bass & treble controls would colour the clean sound too much? I wanted to be able to go from OD back to clean without the noticeable reduction in volume. Basically from a dirty blues shuffle to a clean lick/riff if that makes sense? A sort Elmore James type thing. Glad that something I have said has been of help, yourself and the fellas on here have helped me lots of times. 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 7:32:06 GMT
That bit's confused me, blindwilly3fingers . How are you using it to do that? I thought is was like my Kokko: a clean boost of volume. I was worried that the pedal would colour my sound in some way and, feeling a bit chicken, decided to get the EQ controls to undo any colouration. Sounds like your Mosky has got it right because of the buffer requirement: in=out. There's lots of experimenting to be done using that feature with your various pedals if you are experiencing any 'tone suck'. It's the first thing I noticed about pedals in front of my Champ. Although they were meant to be true bypass there was still some kind of lack of clarity going on. A buffer definitely helped that. I also hoped it would cure the nasty affect my Boss Auto Wah had on my signal when it was off but it couldn't so that had to go into it's own parallel loop instead to get it out of the chain. |
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 8, 2018 9:14:54 GMT
At the moment I have this set up guitar-tuner-od-booster-looper-amp.
I switch from od to boost, not sure if this is right was to do it? So far I do not get get any unwanted noise from any of the pedals. They claim to be true bypass and it appears to be true. I set it up like this so any od or boost is recorded on the looper and it seems to work.
I will try it trough the FX loop on the amp at some point to see how that works. I did not go this route as I thought the amp would override the od and boost. To be honest I'm not 100% sure what should go through the effects loop? And need to experiment.
I expect I may end up having some effect before the amp and some through the FX loop?
I have a reverb pedal on order and may possibly get a get a wah or tremolo pedal. I do not plan to get much more, I don't really know if chorus,flanger,fuzz,delay etc would be of use to me. I tend to use a bit of od and clean, the modelling amps I have are a bit over the top for the stuff I play and the sound I want.
I will probably drive the guys and yourself nuts in the next few weeks asking the best way to set up my pedal board! 🙌
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 9:32:57 GMT
I think I see. So when you have OD on you have boost off and then switch them both AT THE SAME TIME to get unity volume levels? I do get that. Is this because there is no level control on the OD pedal and you are using the booster as a level regulator? Makes sense.
Out of interest that tuner may or may not be true bypass. Do you leave it permanently on? I have noticed some tuners really knacker my tone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 9:37:34 GMT
Hang on. You have this don't you?  There is a level control on it. Can't you set it to equal the level of your clean signal? You wouldn't need the booster to level the levels then. (  were there too many 'levels in that sentence?). |
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 8, 2018 10:13:05 GMT
The tuner cuts out everything when on so can't be left on.
Yes that's the od I have and it has a level control. Basically the clean volume is quite low on the bantamp so switching from od channel to clean channel is vastly different. Also the I find the joyo od fine for rock stuff but too much for the blues sound I want. So my solution was the blues od and a booster on the clean channel, its probably wrong or **** about face. I seem to be able to match the volume of od and clean this way though.
For a lot of blues stuff I try to play I try to get that old blues record sound (minus the crackle and pop). I know back then that the likes of hooker, waters, james, sumlin etc just had guitar and amp. As I said for the shuffles/rhythm a bit of od and the licks/runs clean.
I'm open to any suggestions if you know a better or simpler way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 12:57:59 GMT
I think what was confusing me was the fact that you have an OD channel and an OD pedal! As I see it we are ignoring the OD channel completely for your use? So if you are only using the clean channel why can't you set the level of the OD pedal so that volume doesn't change on the clean channel?
Or is that you want to be able to do a blues tune, switching the OD pedal on and off and then maybe switch to the OD channel for a rock one and don't want a great deal of volume change then? Presumably the Bantamp doesn't have separate controls for the two channels? In that scenario it seems fair enough to kick on your booster and use it as the clean channel's volume control. The reverse way of doing it would be to have a limiter or volume pedal which you use when using the OD channel and cutting the volume then instead. Even better might be a compressor with level control when using the OD channel. Compression on the OD channel could sound very fine indeed.
Presumably there is no foot switch to switch channels on the Bantamp? You have to switch by hand anyway?
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 8, 2018 13:43:25 GMT
The bantamp does not have separate controls for the clean and oc channels.
As you describe is the way I'm using the booster. I did try doing as you suggested (adjusting the od pedal level) but this lead to having the amp volume up. This then made using the amp od violently loud. I know what you are saying and as you said there is lots of experimenting to do.
Don't start me on a compressor lol I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible.
The bantamp is a good little amp but there is a difference in volume when switching channels, if it had separate controls for each channel and a foot switch it wouldn't be a problem. For £135 I can't complain though.
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Post by salteedog on Jun 8, 2018 13:50:21 GMT
So....this is interesting 'cos I don't know much about boosters and I've never tried one but I think I'm learning here. blindwilly3fingers - sounds like your tone tastes are similar to mine - I tend to gravitate towards edge of breakup/gritty tones referencing BB King, Hubert Sumlin/John Lee Hooker / Peter Green type tones unless I go crazy with effects. I always assumed that a boost was more or less similar to turning up the volume control of the guitar. That 'more or less' it would not add distortion or colour the tone too much. And as such was useful to drive a tube amp into distortion from clean. If you are already at the edge of clean and the amp characteristics are such then the boost may not actually result in much volume difference because the tubes would naturally compress (and also because distortion is inherently compressive). And I'm assuming that's the effect that Blind Willy is getting with the boost. @defjef Re. the Katana. we've discussed before how the Kat 50 is somewhat limited in pure clean headroom (legions will debate that the 50 is loud enough to gig with and indeed it is but running a crystal clean tone at full whack on the clean channel with gain at 0 definitely is not loud enough to keep up with a drummer....adding gain (from the gain knob) will make it a lot louder but then the low end starts to distort. This doesn't happen on the 100W where the extra speaker heft has the power for a lot of bass. From what I've read, folks who successfully do gig clean sounds with the 50 without miking it are either playing 1. country-ish gritty cleans or 2. using pickups which are very treble focussed/high mids focussed. Certainly humbuckers are a no-no here. It's possible a boost pedal may give you what you are looking for - but only if you take care to dial down the low end - particularly using the channel or global EQ in the software. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 14:18:28 GMT
I'm going back into that software to see if I can't get the on board booster to do its job properly. I wouldn't need to resort to a booster pedal then. I just can't seem to find a booster on board that simply does a clean boost. I'm a bit confused about the 'dialling down the low end'. It seems to me there is always too much top end. Is this because, unlike the 100w, the single speaker will just start farting?
Then again, the old Kat also suffers from extremely narrow area of sweet tone, projection wise. You only have to move a bit off axis for the lovely warm sound you set up to become piercingly toppy.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 8, 2018 14:18:33 GMT
Yes salteedog those are the tones that I prefer and like.
My bantap only has tube preamp, the way I am using the booster is giving me an increase in volume and a bigger type sound at lower volume (if that makes sense). I don't know if I could say its pushing the clean to distortion?
Defjef has bass & treble on his booster I don't know what effect that might have?
My knowledge of effects is limited and I basically try to create the tone I'm after without really knowing if doing it right or the easiest way.
Defjef will be able to answer your question far better than me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 14:24:09 GMT
Saltee's right about a booster pushing a valve amp into break up without it actually doing any distorting itself. You may fancy really boosting your clean channel whilst turning your amp volume down to see if you get a nice compressed crunchy break up. You might prefer that to the OD channel which you say you find a bit over the top.
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Post by salteedog on Jun 9, 2018 0:37:29 GMT
I'm a bit confused about the 'dialling down the low end'. It seems to me there is always too much top end. Is this because, unlike the 100w, the single speaker will just start farting? Then again, the old Kat also suffers from extremely narrow area of sweet tone, projection wise. You only have to move a bit off axis for the lovely warm sound you set up to become piercingly toppy.
On the first point - I dont think so. The software and EQ is identical for the 100w and for the 50w...the only difference is the power amp and the speaker. In other words there is no inbuilt internal EQ on the 50 which is designed to accentuate the high end by default. I'm suggesting you manually dial the low end down to prevent speaker fart if you want to play clean tones as loud as possible.
I need to experiment on the directionality. I've never particularly noticed it too much although I accept it must be there. I know you are more discerning than me though.
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were there too many 'levels in that sentence?).
