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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 9, 2018 13:40:48 GMT
The rather new Fanfret 8 doesn't seem to re-sell that well. This one just went for 201€ + shipping, half its new price, as good as new together with a fair looking gigbag.
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Post by cdreid9999 on Jul 12, 2018 5:16:40 GMT
It's 8 string. It's fanned fret. And its a harley benton.. not many people know about hb. Theyre fools for selling it. That guitar will be worth a grand in 5 years
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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 12, 2018 6:36:41 GMT
This is what I'd like to think of my ST-62 with Wilkinson pick-ups Maybe the Agile of which this is a copy will sell for more in 5 to 10 years but I wouldn't bet on it. The 2nd hand market is full of guitars bought on a whim and left on their own for years or played a dozen times on the couch.
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Post by DerAlex on Jul 12, 2018 7:12:37 GMT
Too much of a niche market to get high resale value.
And increases in price I rather expect from my Goldtop Les Paul with the round horn - like I will be able to resell it for 149 EUR instead of the 129 EUR I paid. But not much more.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 12, 2018 8:11:56 GMT
Well, you'd expect that very niche quality to support re-sale value. I saw a SC-450 Copper Top sell higher than its original price after it went out of the Thomann catalogue, not by much but that was unexpected all the same.
I suppose this guy who bought a guitar he didn't even use failed to realise that July is probably the worst month to sell stuff on ebay.
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Post by rtm on Jul 12, 2018 9:27:16 GMT
This guy may be a tad full of himself and edgy, but at least he's right. It sucks. It would be an improvement if they shipped this without pickups and electronics, every single sample I've heard of these paints it in a terrible light even considering the price. Cory Mura and Agufish are in the comments saying he got a lemon, but theirs sounded just as awful...
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Post by spacelord77 on Jul 12, 2018 9:39:10 GMT
There's the problem. who REALLY needs those 2 extra strings... tuning lower than B results in noise sounding like farts....😁
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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 12, 2018 11:24:28 GMT
There's the problem. who REALLY needs those 2 extra strings... tuning lower than B results in noise sounding like farts....😁 There is a demand. There were two bidders at 200€ and above, the 3rd stopped at 133€. I can see others sold for prices below 229 and 289€, without indication of the actual selling price (both from the same seller, he probably settled for something like 200 on the last one as well). The problem is more with the evaluation of the product and it seems half price was the rule this time. I guess Harley Benton is shooting itself in the foot here by having an 8-string entry model at 159€ as well as building itself a reputation for making good copies in that very price range. People don't seem to think the quality difference will be worth that much. When I first heard of Harley Benton, people were raving about that 159€ Les Paul copy (SC-450 Plus) then they were all about those "great" CST-24T models at 220€. The ST-62 (119€) and the JB-75 (139€) are top sellers and that's the price range that made me want to indulge in a new guitar. I wouldn't have spent 400 on anything. If I am right about this, the new Fusion series and assorted basses in the 300-400€ range might well be a major flop.
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Post by salteedog on Jul 12, 2018 13:09:32 GMT
I agree. Over €300 is going to be a difficult market to crack for them.
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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 12, 2018 14:03:18 GMT
I agree. Over €300 is going to be a difficult market to crack for them. I remember having this discussion very long ago. It was a reflection about how the Volkswagen Phaeton was not able to compete with the equivalent models from the brands located in the higher price range, like Audi or BMW. It was not a matter of quality. That thing was trying to be what the rest of its kind was not and pleasing no one in the process. Opening a higher price segment is not about getting the same people to spend more, it's about convincing these other people who are already willing to spend more that they should do it with your products.
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Post by spacelord77 on Jul 12, 2018 22:41:20 GMT
There's the problem. who REALLY needs those 2 extra strings... tuning lower than B results in noise sounding like farts....😁 There is a demand. There were two bidders at 200€ and above, the 3rd stopped at 133€. I can see others sold for prices below 229 and 289€, without indication of the actual selling price (both from the same seller, he probably settled for something like 200 on the last one as well). The problem is more with the evaluation of the product and it seems half price was the rule this time. I guess Harley Benton is shooting itself in the foot here by having an 8-string entry model at 159€ as well as building itself a reputation for making good copies in that very price range. People don't seem to think the quality difference will be worth that much. When I first heard of Harley Benton, people were raving about that 159€ Les Paul copy (SC-450 Plus) then they were all about those "great" CST-24T models at 220€. The ST-62 (119€) and the JB-75 (139€) are top sellers and that's the price range that made me want to indulge in a new guitar. I wouldn't have spent 400 on anything. If I am right about this, the new Fusion series and assorted basses in the 300-400€ range might well be a major flop. I undertand you. But its an 8 string HB, people who buy those guitars, want a name on the headstock to be coooool...music does not need neither those players(Tosin Abbasi isn't that good...), neither 8 string guitars.. Rock/metal was fine with 6 strings... modern metal is horrible..😕
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Post by LeoThunder on Jul 13, 2018 8:49:53 GMT
But its an 8 string HB, people who buy those guitars, want a name on the headstock to be coooool...music does not need neither those players(Tosin Abbasi isn't that good...), neither 8 string guitars.. Rock/metal was fine with 6 strings... modern metal is horrible..😕 New instruments tend to be pigeon-holed for a time. This happened to the saxophone in the early 20th century, with serious musicians refusing to acknowledge it for that very reason. It was mostly used for military music or even for parody and gained a vulgar reputation. The simple hammering of power chords doesn't help the image of extended range guitars but then, I suppose plenty of simplistic stuff was hammered out on 6 strings too even before the punk "thing" came up. Agile and Schecter are common brand names for 8 and 9-string guitars beside Ibanez. I doubt these were "cool" or even well known before answering the demand. The piano was extended too. Mozart's piano had five octaves, Beethoven's got six and I think Chopin's already had seven. Liszt wrote pieces using the lowest keys in an artful way and of course the same can be done with guitars, it just needs to get past the gimmick stage.
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Post by salteedog on Jul 13, 2018 10:22:52 GMT
It's odd what becomes 'cool'. Some disastrous looking Japanese and even US big name manufacturers' guitars from the 70s have become cool through association; rediscovered 'gems' played ironically or anarchically by 'cool' acts. If Jack White, Kurt Cobain or Alex Turner has plucked it it's instantly desirable. The accepted wisdom is that these guitars are unloved so are ridiculously cheap and actually of excellent quality (ahem!). I have yet to see pointy 80s, hair metal superstrats with Floyd Rose whammys become 'cool' but I guess it will happen. We could start a betting book on which ultra hip hipster will be the first to play one. I can imagine Sea Sick Steve picking one up. True that. That 90s Fender Bullet that was identified in the other thread has become 'cool' in certain circles because it is one of the guitars regularly played by one of the guitarists in Parquet Courts* - who are real a trend setting band judging by the number of new bands coming through who are clearly influenced by their sound and production ethos ...(which in turn is was influenced by a lineage of sounds traced from from from Pavement through Wire, Television, Modern Lovers..). *Definitive album = 'Light up Gold' from 2013
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