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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 20, 2018 5:44:52 GMT
LPSA? Low Price Standard… Les Paul something… I have no idea. More output, less treble and bass than the Vintage PAF according to the Roswell site. Twice the resistance ought to change things too but it all depends on the associated electronics in the guitar, so that could have been adjusted accordingly.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 20, 2018 6:47:11 GMT
LPSA? Low Price Standard… Les Paul something… I have no idea. London Plastic Surgery Associates Living probabilistic safety assessment Livingston Parish Soccer Association Liberal Party of South Africa Lower Pottsgrove Sportsmen's Association No, no, no… Here's something: LPSA-R Vintage alnico humbucker. A finely crafted reproduction of the vintage P.A.F in both tone and appearance. Sweet, soulful tones with smooth bass and mids, capped off with a warm round treble response. Available in gold or chrome. Neck 8K and bridge 15.8K So that's another name for a PAF?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:56:14 GMT
No, crackling of wire is not warm sound its harsh. Leo what do you suggest? We stop talking about tone in general? I have a better idea! You can start ignoring such posts but please stop with this know it all attitude me man if we are to stay good neighbours Political correctness is an individual thing. What is politically correct for you might not be politically correct for me. I will keep to my "creamy top end", "satin-like tube tone" "harsh sounding pickup" and if you don't like this kind of describing ignore the post and get off my back as I will certainly make sure you get off of it. Each to its own. Im too old of a horse to be thought new tricks, so stop trying!
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 20, 2018 8:21:46 GMT
I'm sorry to say you'll have to take my opinions as they are or find another place to read. Do not ever hope to tell me which ones I may express.
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Post by salteedog on Aug 20, 2018 9:15:01 GMT
Eh.... it was crackling of fire not wire. So a joke, fire being warm etc.. Not sure if that changes anything between you brothers.
Here's my readout. - I enjoy both of your contributions so don't stop.
Re. pickups - yes, the standard terms are infuriatingly vague and as mentioned before I would much prefer to see more technical specs from manufacturers when they describes pickups - but even that will only give a partial picture.
Everybody's ears are different and more importantly everybody's tastes are different. Unfortunately in the guitar world (and music instruments in general) there is a propensity to elevate the 'unexplained magic dust' above the objective evidence but I guess that's part and parcel of the world of music making where 'feel' and spirit are so important - more important than the technical. I wouldn't have it any other way as otherwise my favourite artists would never have gotten anywhere - being as they had to make do with shoddy gear, recording techniques and not least less tan perfect vocal abilities and playing chops etc.
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Post by Vincent on Aug 20, 2018 9:44:27 GMT
LPSA? Low Price Standard… Les Paul something… I have no idea. More output, less treble and bass than the Vintage PAF according to the Roswell site. Twice the resistance ought to change things too but it all depends on the associated electronics in the guitar, so that could have been adjusted accordingly. No idea what LPSA is supposed to mean. Could be someone is just having a LAF.
Vintage PAF is used by many winders/sellers to described their products and it is meaningless. PAF pickups came in more flavors than Walker's crisps so which one? I might be fine with Cheese & Onion or even Smokey Bacon but if they are Salt & Vinegar, no way.
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Post by spacelord77 on Aug 20, 2018 10:44:41 GMT
Roswell might be as inconsistent as the newer versions of Wilkinson pups! Some people have Roswells that sound awesome and others (like me) get those that sound awful! Thats the reason why i'm still not convinced enough to buy another DC-Custom with Rsowells.. I'v seen many videos and comparations, but to my ears Roswells dont sound as good as the Wilkinsons i have on my current DC-Custom, its a beautiful sounding guitar.
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Post by oghkhood on Aug 20, 2018 10:46:48 GMT
The more than the real thing (PAF) itself was subject to huge variations along its own production time : Alnico 2/3/4/5, gauges, windings .... all changing with the availability of supplies and the hand who was making it and the hour of the day and the day itslef ...
There are defintively no specs to define what is a PAF pup, beside the fact that it should sound "vintage"
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Post by DefJef on Aug 20, 2018 11:16:50 GMT
One thing that bothers me more than anything else about these metaphors which we may be able to agree on mean something, is that we have no idea what amp or settings were used to achieve them anyway. As Che and LeoThunder say, if a pickup matches an amp harmoniously then it's a winner, if it doesn't it's a loser (unless one person's winning sound is someone else's losing one ). I have no idea whether these pickup winders try to use a level playing field by always testing against the same amp - a different amp to the one I have anyway - or try to match pickups to a range of amps and settings to get the best fit. Either way they sure won't be playing them the way I do. If they are simply using an oscilloscope to view the waveform and are then matching those images to sounds in their heads then I'm still none the wiser as to how a pup is going to sound. Listening ourselves is sadly the only way we can decide what we like. And that's going to be as divisive as the music we enjoy too. Right I'm off to enjoy some nose flute cover versions.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 20, 2018 11:45:57 GMT
Everybody's ears are different and more importantly everybody's tastes are different. Unfortunately in the guitar world (and music instruments in general) there is a propensity to elevate the 'unexplained magic dust' above the objective evidence but I guess that's part and parcel of the world of music making where 'feel' and spirit are so important - more important than the technical. I wouldn't have it any other way as otherwise my favourite artists would never have gotten anywhere - being as they had to make do with shoddy gear, recording techniques and not least less tan perfect vocal abilities and playing chops etc. All true. The difficulty here, beyond taste, words to express it and the ever present wish to adulate things, is to develop an understanding of how the pieces work together and especially how they complement each other. When I plug my guitar into a hi-fi stereo amplifier or into my modelling amp set on neutral (it has such a "model", which actually isn't one, just a bypassing of the modelling part), I hear the grape juice. It is closest to an acoustic sound without the beauties of the reverberation inside the body. I can hear the colouration the pick-ups bring but the wine only flows after it went through the distortion (in the original sense of an alteration) of an amplifier model which applies its particular idiosyncrasies. These are massive. From a Bassman to an AC30 to a Marshall to a Silvertone and more, you quickly understand that pick-ups doing great with one probably won't with some others. So if you are a live guitar player with one, expensive, big amplifier you have to carry around, you adapt your guitar to it. You select it for the way it sounds together with your amp and you probably change its pick-ups until you're happy or after you "upgraded" your amp and found out all your guitars now sound funny. If it's the other way around, you tweak your modelling amp, or more likely your multi-effect box until you're happy with what you have in the guitars. At this point, a good multi-effect plugged into the cleanest amp you can find, probably one for acoustic instruments, is likely the alternative way to go play live, or you just plug into the PA if there is one. You can still buy a fake wall of Marshalls from Slayer or some other funny band but only if you want to hide the mess behind the stage. That said, people with gear to sell keep making videos about how it's all great and all so different and all so worth spending more of your money (make sure you do using the links in their description, thanks). And indeed, the more you mix guitars, pedals, amplifiers, strings, picks and woods, the more combinations you get to cover. It's all a big trade show.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 20, 2018 11:56:46 GMT
I have no idea whether these pickup winders try to use a level playing field by always testing against the same amp; a different amp to the one I have anyway, or try to match pickups to a range of amps and settings to get the best fit. Either way they sure won't be playing them the way I do. If they are simply using an oscilloscope to view the waveform and are then matching those images to sounds in their heads then I'm still none the wiser as to how a pup is going to sound. Whatever they do, they definitely are not trying to solve a deterministic problem. They are not trying to make the best pick-up possible, not trying to win the World Cup. They are in the business of selling hats, or glasses. They are trying to offer you the one you think suits your taste and your face, which is unique, the face being the combination of amplifier, guitar and whatever else is thrown in. It has a basic functionality but that's taken for granted. Decisive is the fit to your personal situation. That's why there are still people wiring new pick-ups today, custom made, signed and so on. People discussing pick-ups are actually mostly discussing hats and how they suit them.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 20, 2018 12:10:39 GMT
PAF pickups came in more flavors than Walker's crisps so which one? I might be fine with Cheese & Onion or even Smokey Bacon but if they are Salt & Vinegar, no way. You haven't tried them with Marmite, have you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 13:11:47 GMT
I'm sorry to say you'll have to take my opinions as they are or find another place to read. Do not ever hope to tell me which ones I may express. Of course. Just like anyone else has right to express their own opinion here. Just stop playing the Jehovahs Witness game in front of my door each time I express my opinion on the pickups or amps I tried especially if those are pickups you never heard live or played yourself. You sure may tell all that philosophical/psychological stuff to other members willing to tolerate you or find you amusing.
However your reply here speaks volumes. You are to be ignored as from now on. Good riddance Mr. Know-it-all ta ta
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Post by kwis on Aug 20, 2018 15:00:39 GMT
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