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Post by Vincent on Aug 20, 2018 16:56:38 GMT
PAF pickups came in more flavors than Walker's crisps so which one? I might be fine with Cheese & Onion or even Smokey Bacon but if they are Salt & Vinegar, no way. You haven't tried them with Marmite, have you? Sure I have but they sounded like P90s
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Aug 20, 2018 19:09:32 GMT
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The best pick up Guinness 😎
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Post by dtjesus on Aug 20, 2018 20:50:51 GMT
LPSA? Low Price Standard… Les Paul something… I have no idea. London Plastic Surgery Associates Living probabilistic safety assessment Livingston Parish Soccer Association Liberal Party of South Africa Lower Pottsgrove Sportsmen's Association No, no, no… Here's something: LPSA-R Vintage alnico humbucker. A finely crafted reproduction of the vintage P.A.F in both tone and appearance. Sweet, soulful tones with smooth bass and mids, capped off with a warm round treble response. Available in gold or chrome. Neck 8K and bridge 15.8K So that's another name for a PAF? Lol at your take on the abbreviations. I believe its now these ones that are being installed in new guitars. roswellpickups.com/pickup/pro_view.php?idx=M34323In all fairness to Harley Benton, they probably moved to a 16K DCR pickup when they introduced Split coil. Split coil sounds much better with higher DCR pickups. So its understandable.
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Post by oghkhood on Aug 21, 2018 8:28:06 GMT
One thing that bothers me more than anything else about these metaphors which we may be able to agree on mean something, is that we have no idea what amp or settings were used to achieve them anyway. As Che and LeoThunder say, if a pickup matches an amp harmoniously then it's a winner, if it doesn't it's a loser (unless one person's winning sound is someone else's losing one ). I have no idea whether these pickup winders try to use a level playing field by always testing against the same amp - a different amp to the one I have anyway - or try to match pickups to a range of amps and settings to get the best fit. Either way they sure won't be playing them the way I do. If they are simply using an oscilloscope to view the waveform and are then matching those images to sounds in their heads then I'm still none the wiser as to how a pup is going to sound. Listening ourselves is sadly the only way we can decide what we like. And that's going to be as divisive as the music we enjoy too. Right I'm off to enjoy some nose flute cover versions. WOW !
There's a lot to say about all this.
But to put it short : there is no point in seeking good pups if you do not have a good amp to make them sing in it.
Summing up from my own experience : I have 2 very good tubeys, an Ampegt GVT15H and a Champ clone... and I also have a modelling machine ( Line6 Firehawk + wide range speaker ). There's tiny difference between a 220€ set and Wilkinsons on the Firehawk, but it becomes more than obvious in the Ampeg ..... just a shame for the Wilkinsons no matter the price difference. Whereas all the Tonerider sets a I played in this amps were sounding really good, though not a the same lvl as my Van Zandt sets
On another hand, I have a Duesenberg set (Domino + Crunchbucker) , that I tried on both a bad L450+ and the CST24HB I still have ( with other pups ), but never got satisfied because a lack of juice... although these pups can be found on 5000+€ guitars. This set is still waiting for the guitar that fit to them ....
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Post by guitarnv on Aug 24, 2018 6:21:13 GMT
Maybe they got cheaper ones but the reason that was given for moving to Roswell was that they discovered they had been sourcing fake Wilkinsons and could not make sure it would stop from happening. Maybe that's what I had. I'm a little confused here. Does that mean (1) The factory was trying to source Wilkinson but the supplier kept sending fakes? (2) Wilkinson was sometimes selling fake Wilkinsons? (Is that even possible?) (3) The factory was putting pickups in labeled Wilkinson that weren't? Number 1 seems very fixable, Number 2 is just odd, and if Number 3 is true, why would you continue to trust them to build guitars to a specified quality level?
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Post by oghkhood on Aug 24, 2018 6:28:44 GMT
The factorieS are not Thomann .......
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 24, 2018 7:30:19 GMT
Maybe they got cheaper ones but the reason that was given for moving to Roswell was that they discovered they had been sourcing fake Wilkinsons and could not make sure it would stop from happening. Maybe that's what I had. I'm a little confused here. Does that mean (1) The factory was trying to source Wilkinson but the supplier kept sending fakes? (2) Wilkinson was sometimes selling fake Wilkinsons? (Is that even possible?) (3) The factory was putting pickups in labeled Wilkinson that weren't? Number 1 seems very fixable, Number 2 is just odd, and if Number 3 is true, why would you continue to trust them to build guitars to a specified quality level? I wasn't there But it can only be an unsaid variant of 1). Obviously, Thomann wanted Wilkinsons at Harley Benton compatible prices and whoever is in charge for sourcing somewhere was finding some but not directly from Wilkinson (that's the unsaid part, the thing that can make you doubt anything you get in a Harley Benton). Sourcing people are always on the lookout for lower prices, so my guess is that people, somewhere, decided to brand pick-ups as Wilkinsons and sell them to the Thomann sourcing guy(s). In an interview with Cory, the R&D head of Harley Benton said he couldn't get this under control, which implies they were not buying from Wilkinson themselves, whoever that is. I find no web site for Wilkinson pick-ups, only JHS appears to be selling them, All Parts sell Wilkinson bridges, saddles and machine heads but no pick-ups. I think Roswell is fine. I like what I hear in the new Fusion models. I would be more worried about the unbranded pick-ups you get in some of the new models, like those in the Fanfret guitars.
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Post by DerAlex on Aug 24, 2018 7:39:06 GMT
AFAIremember Lasse said that the problem was that Wilkinson was giving out too many licenses for labelling the pickups as genuine "Wilkinson"s but the differences were too big and not manageable (microphonic TE-pickups anyone?).
So I wouldn´t call them fakes but absolutely inconsistent in the quality. Which is of course hurting Thomann 1) the brand perception and b) increased returns.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 24, 2018 7:50:40 GMT
Lasse clearly speaks of fakes in the interview with Cory:
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Post by salteedog on Aug 24, 2018 8:59:26 GMT
Clearly Thomann didn't have a contract with JHS/Wilkinson to supply them pickups for the Harley Benton guitars. Rather Thomann has contract with a few OEM guitar factories which laid out the specification of the guitars. Factories sourced Wilkinson pickups from distribution channels. Unfortunately fake wilkinsons got into the channel.
Rosswell as a manufacturer/licencer may be more reliable insofar as they are probably more aggressive in litigating the protection of their brand.
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