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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 19:32:31 GMT
Good see your enthusiasm for this amp. Long may it continue. Hope your son gets better soon also  I dunno ...  maybe I should just return it and get a Fender GT or Katana 50 instead  . Thank you, he is getting better! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 19:38:42 GMT
@defjef I think this is a big head, I like this size and cant wait to give it 1x12" cabinet soon!  |
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Post by Vincent on Feb 7, 2019 19:45:16 GMT
I thought you bought and returned a Katana already? Forgive me for failing to keep up but you have been busy even by your own standards. The Mustang GT series has received many firmware updates since the launch. Some of them are quite good too. There is an android app that we can use but I cannot install it on what I have. I am missing nothing I am sure. I read somewhere, I think it was a comment on youtube. A guy owned the K and the GT. He wrote a lengthy summary of both and said the K was better for gigging and the GT was better for home use. I don't know myself. Who cares. So long as we are happy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 21:48:33 GMT
I was just jokig no way Im ever touching modeling apms! Maybe a Solid State Peavey Bandit or similar pedal platfrom but not modeling amps. So not for me. Was there since the LINE6 Vyper and then VOX VT, now Katana , many modeling pedals ... nah ... not for me. It doesnt make me happy |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:02:48 GMT
BTW, after playing loud-ish and bedroom levels I can attest that the V55 Bugera seaker is not sounding so very good with this G20 head! Funny how different amps give different tone from the same speaker. This V55 speaker sounds very full, sounds like the whole room is filled with sound but when driven with this G20 head then the speaker sounds like its inside the cabinet, boxy, nasal, not filling up the room. This alone tells me that I should NOT go for a Vintage voiced speaker but more Modern with scooped Mids (to lessen the boxy, nasal tone). This means no no to HB with V30 but a big YES to Bugera 112 Blue Turbosound cab. They did voice that cab for this very head G5 and G20. Besides sounding nasal and boxy this amp makes this speaker sound VERY thin, very little low end even if I crank the Bass on my CKK Lunar Drive which usually gives me lots of bottom end especially when punching with N+B In Series with my Tele. Without a speaker that matches this G20 I can't really tell how it sounds as it sure has that sizzly tube sound but lacks in chimey harmonics and lacks Low end and is Mids heavy. Makes sense as it is based on Marshall rather than Fender. That Morph is waste of space in my opinion. I would call it an Extra Knob for Mids, so Mids 1 and Mids 2 I have read a review where lad reports lack of harmonics on this G20 in comparison to his Bugera V22 and he remedied this by swapping the Bugera pre-amp tubes with JJ tubes (those I have now in my V55). Just like speakers , tubes need time to loosen up a bit (the very reason Frusciante was torching his new tubes before placing them into the amp). Will certainly keep this amp as it does give me another voice than V55. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:30:02 GMT
What I wrote above is for my STRAT ST-62MN with Ironstone!
My Tele TE-70BP with Ironstone seems made for this amp! Not the bridge on its own but the Neck, N+B parallel and N+B in Series sound awesome with this G20 into V55 speaker.
The drive channel even when set to almost clean can not handle Delay pedals into front of the amp! Shame really as I like my pedals streight in! This amp has FX Loop so this not a huge issue (I will just need extra power supplies for those pedals in the back loop)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:38:39 GMT
I know the V55 has a buffered effects loop so longer cables aren't an issue, but does the G20? If so, you can place all your pedals together on the same power supply.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 23:22:33 GMT
Ok, enough for tonight! Will try the FX Loop tomorrow just to see if its functional or not. The Phones socket works. One thing I have noticed is that the Clean Channels tone has a constant hiss, nothing scary but the Gain Channel doesnt have this and seems overall quieter hum/hiss wise and I find that strange Any who, its the amps hiss nothing to do with guitars or pedals. All in all, this amp loves Gain andis rather made as a hi-gain amp. As it sounds best with N+B In Series Im assuming this amp was voiced so it sings best with Humbuckers! Surelly it sounds very thin with my Strat which sounds very fat and rich into my V55 amp. Good night ... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 23:23:36 GMT
How's that us/uk mode knob? Any use?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 23:32:13 GMT
How's that us/uk mode knob? Any use? If I had a cab/speaker matched for this G20 then I could tell you more about that Morph Knob but with my V55 vintage voiced I cant really have it on the UK side of things as it gets too boxy, too nasaly. Im not into Mids anyway so speaker with scooped mids would be best for me (Blue Turbosound) and then test the Morph Knob some more. I have it placed at Noon only because I have cut off the Mids almost entirelly. But If I have some mids then I turn the Morph more towrds the US. Stil this tells us nothing really ... I need time to get to know this amp and find a suitable speaker for it! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 9:29:25 GMT
NOTE !!!! NOTE !!! NOTE !!! The Clean channel maybe bypassing the pre-amp tubes and going direct to Power tube section It certainly reminds me of that "clean" I expereinced on V55 when I pluged guitar into the FX loop bypassing the entire pre amp section. Clean but not much harmonics not much character. Hm, not sure his is what I want from my Clean channel but then this G20 is meant to be a mean machine and not a clean amp for Che's playing style. I really wish to know if the Clean Ch. by passes the pre-amp section, as if so then me replacing pre tubes to JJ will not make ANY difference at all! Where can I find more info on this? Maybe Blackstar Head is made in the same way; Clean bypassing the preamp section and therefore the 3 band EQ also!? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 10:08:04 GMT
I wondered that, and also worry that this amp is a Blackstar clone (it looks like one but you can never be sure what's o the inside). I really haven't enjoyed the sounds from Blackstars that I have heard and played. Rather hard sounding without that sort of glossy sag (whatever that means) that I prefer. Maybe, though, that was the speaker or the cab, because all the Blackstars I've heard have been combos.
If you're worried about the ss sound, you seem to not be the only one. I have read many Blackstar reviews that say the same thing. Although I did read this on thegearpage.net:
"Some people call it SS sounding. I think it doesn't sound solid state, I think it sounds astounding and different than most other amps. So much so, that I'm thinking people mistake the sound for solid state, since perhaps they can't compare this clean tone to any other tube clean they've heard. With all respect to other posters, my GUESS (only a guess) is this.
And I think that Blackstar HT has gone for a Fender, not Marshall clean, but they're doing it with EL34s, not Fender 6L6s, so the clean tone may actually BE something that most guys haven't heard. I've written Blackstar and also seen other letters to Blackstar where the company flatly states that their amps are what is called an all-tube path".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 10:31:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 10:58:35 GMT
It's certainly worth a try, Che. If, as you say, you can't imagine using all that gain on the gain channel but are finding the clean one a bit lacking, then I'd definitely attempt a swap. The cooler 6L6s should round out the sound to a nicer clean but be pushed to an area with more usability across its range in the gain channel for you, even with a bit more fatness which may solve the sizzle that I felt was there on the V22. If it just turns it into your V55 then there's no point, but I don't think it will as these Blackstar style amps, I reckon, are aimed at the more gainy end of the market and that pre amp will surely be designed to give more of that anyway. With the Infinium circuit you've got nothing to lose in trying it...and your 6L6s should get an even longer life anyway. Could be the perfect solution to a perfect amp. I await the outcome with interest. And may get one too if it's revolutionary.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 11:24:42 GMT
I am off to play Badminton tonight (already missed 2 Fridays and my body needs letting out this toxic nicotine abstinence energy) but will try to swap them tonight. Will try with Pre-amp JJ tubes first and see how that sounds. Then also swap the EL34 for TAD 6L6. If this gives more harmonic detail in the cleans its a keeper for sure and if not ... well, I hate returning stuff but keeping an amp that I will never play is just plain stupid But, ths amp surelly react better to Guitars Volume than the V55. I certainly could use the dirt channel and then clean up by reducing the guitar volume knob and up it when I need growl. But will test the tube swap first. All I need is just a bit more saggy sizzlness from the clean channel. |
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