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Post by tich65a on Feb 28, 2016 12:08:20 GMT
So got myself a new amp ... bought it from our lovely friends Thomann ... arrived in double quick time and now I'm COMPLETELY confused....  Looks like I have to have it plugged into my computer to make any changes to the options.... that said there are a couple I like... Anyway I've downloaded the FUZE software and spent yesterday pm playing with it .... rather than playing a guitar ............  Perhaps I'm missing the point .....and if I'm more persistent I'll get the sounds I like but have to say that the moment it's all a bit complicated for me .... anyway it's back to the keyboard for me .....................  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 14:11:01 GMT
Congrats and good luck  I tried a modeling amp VOX VT20+ and decided its not for me AT ALL, too many fiddling buttons and hard to adjust. Went back to Thomann and I've got a solid state Kustom PH2012R with a 12" speaker and spring reverb which all sounds AWESOME with my new NUX pedals. So now I play instead of fiddling all the time with parameters  |
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Post by wildturkey on Feb 28, 2016 14:41:29 GMT
I have a Mustang 1 V2 and while I like the tones I never use it for the exact same reason
I find with that many options your always giong to be tweaking , I find the same with multieffects boards
Its less hassle to have a few pedals in front of a good amp.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 15:41:37 GMT
I like my modeling Digitech multi fx for recording because some HiFi sounds I get with it are just awesome especially the Tweed cleans but also high gain. That said I find the sound of my ss Amp with pedals much more organic sounding with all the noise and all but sounds awesome too. I find that after having the Digitech RP70 for 2 years now I have my favorite patches I made and only use those 6 I have made, so no hustle but I did spend 1 year to make those patches With single pedals its much faster to find the sweet spots and then you only focus on playing. |
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Post by tich65a on Feb 28, 2016 17:15:40 GMT
Spent the afternoon playing with the amp..... Have found the way to look at each amp in a clean situation and have identified two I like specially for my cst24hb and my blueshawk. So I have saved them which is a good start for me. I specifically wanted a mod amp as I have not got a clue what all these add on foot switches do and so this way I can find out without spending a fortune nor taking up too much space. Feel much better about it today than I did yesterday  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 17:17:59 GMT
I too decided for a modeling pedal for the same reson because I just had no clue what those individual pedals really sound like and even amp sims etc to get an idea what sound I dig great tool for getting to know your own sound |
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Post by tich65a on May 22, 2016 22:15:52 GMT
So an update................ I've spent far too long trying to get this thing to work for me....  Each time one wants a change it's necessary to connect to the computer, and I'm finding this frustrating ..............  So I think it's time to call it a day, sell it on and get something I can play.............  I read an old thread where Che recommended a decent amp with a few pedals... So I'm thinking perhaps these ......... Marshall MG15CFRHB Vintage OverdriveHB American TruetoneHB Digital DelayHB Classic Chorus HB Pedal BoardThis combination is (effectively) lifted from Che's recommendations on the other thread.. I only play at home - and doesn't need to be high volume - in fact the reverse... some of the old g$ts living here can be right miserable .....  Be grateful for your critique ....... |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 22:48:19 GMT
Looks like you're after stealing my setup @titch65a!
The Marshall should be ok (reverb is nice to have) you may find 15 watts on a solid state a bit limiting but I don't know how loud you like to go nor how clean/overdriven.
As for pedals I have always used a digital delay at the end of my chain and, up until about a year ago, a cheap distortion pedal in front of it. But then I decided to make some changes. I bought a second hand Boss sustain pedal that really helped things along BUT then I bought the Vintage Overdrive that you are looking at and found I hardly needed the sustain except for cleans. It's a really nice pedal with plenty of natural sounding crunch available without going into fuzz or shred territory. Then I bought the American pedal that you also list and that sits just after my Vintage Overdrive and is always on. The settings on that are great for me since it offers amp simulation of a range of Fender amps along with plenty of drive, tone and volume level settings. I use mine for lighter crunch and then kick on the Vintage Overdrive when I want a bit more. Stacking pedals in this way is a great way of finding your own sound.
About the only effect I now need to find is a great tremolo (not the Behringer Tremolo Pan pedal that was so noisy I sent it back despite some cool sounds on it) and, apparently, a really nice chorus (not the DOD one that I own)so I'm interested to know how you get on with the HB Classic Chorus if you get it. I believe there is something out there that basically goes through everything from chorus to phase to tremolo to rotary madness but can't for the life of me remember what it was.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 7:17:18 GMT
So an update................ I've spent far too long trying to get this thing to work for me.... Each time one wants a change it's necessary to connect to the computer, and I'm finding this frustrating .............. So I think it's time to call it a day, sell it on and get something I can play............. I read an old thread where Che recommended a decent amp with a few pedals... So I'm thinking perhaps these ......... Marshall MG15CFRHB Vintage OverdriveHB American TruetoneHB Digital DelayHB Classic Chorus HB Pedal BoardThis combination is (effectively) lifted from Che's recommendations on the other thread.. I only play at home - and doesn't need to be high volume - in fact the reverse... some of the old g$ts living here can be right miserable ..... Be grateful for your critique ....... Yeah, modeling pedals and amps can be a biatch I agree but they also can be handy for quick recording "if" you have ready made presets. But single stomp boxes are by far making you focus more on playing than fiddling non-stop. And they are great to find "your tone" and then you work with it instead of tweaking forever. Get yourself an amp with a 12" speaker, you will not regret it! Such a huge difference even on low volumes. Why dont you use your Fender just as a clean amp and run external pedals through it? Some folks say modeling amps can't take external pedals good but others differ. You can try and see. If you have an amp that has a decent clean tone you can play very low volume and get some HUGE sound out of those pedals there for home practice. I do get this from my rig. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 9:01:08 GMT
 I'd definitely give the thumbs up to a 12" speaker. There's so much more colour and dimension there plus your bass will sound better and it's all somehow less focused on one part of the room. My personal choice is for an open backed cabinet too which just lets even more sound and colouration out. I find closed cabs a bit nasal in quality but that may suit you, especially if you're a humbucker player.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 9:10:26 GMT
Yeah, I agree on open amps/cabs or even semi-open is better to my ear than bloody closed even for my humbuckers.
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Post by tich65a on May 23, 2016 9:42:50 GMT
This is what I love about this forum... LOADS of great advice there just for the asking. papache, I hadn't thought about keeping the Fender as you suggest... I do have one clean setting I like on it ... 65 twin I think it's based on... so perhaps if I use that with the boxes I might start getting somewhere....  Question ... would I now need the American truetone? At least this amp has a 12 inch speaker, and I would not loose funds if kept....worth a try... Thanks friends .... I'll order the stuff once my credit comes back from Thomann .....I ordered an MS60PB but I don't like it , so it's going back....anyway I've got 5 guitars at the moment, so it's time to get the end result right rather than buy any more .... for the moment  |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 10:06:00 GMT
Question ... would I now need the American truetone? No. But also yes because infront of the amp it will act as a drive pedal and even a tone shaper which can help. I have the NUX Amp Sim which is very much the same and it helps shape the tone further in case you cant get the desired tone on your guitar tone knob. My amp has too much bass so it helps have some more EQ options infront of the amp and the American Sound is such pedal (Treble, Mids, Bass). Also, stacking Vintage drive into American Sound might give some awesome overdrive sound |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 10:36:00 GMT
Well if you've already got a 12" speaker in the Mustang it seems you are part way there. And it's open backed too isn't it? I'd definitely keep it and set it as flat and HiFi as possible so it's NOT colouring your sound and then decide what kind of amp sound you are after. Those HB tone pedals are great and you can decide what kind of an amp tone you want by using them. American TrueTone gives you a range of Fender amp sims, BritishTrueTone does Marshall, ACTrueTone does Vox and California does Mesa Boogie. Having said all this it does seem odd that you have to link up to your computer to do anything you want. I was under the impression that much of what you need to do on a Mustang amp was right there at your fingertips and for deeper editing and uploading different settings you needed to use the FUSE software and a computer. Have you checked out YOUTUBE to see that you're not missing something? It seems a bit mad to have a Fender amp and then have to buy an amp sim pedal to make it sound like a Fender amp. This guy seems to be getting all sorts of sounds without linking it to his computer: YouTube Mustang II V2 Don't despair yet and see if some of your problems aren't solved with a bit more research. You may find you can find a compromise and enjoy a Fender sound from your Fender amp (avoiding the need for the American TrueTone pedal) and just get pedals for what you'd like to kick in easily. |
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Post by tich65a on May 23, 2016 12:09:32 GMT
thanks for your comments @defjef, I had not seen that vid... so watched it and still feel I'm struggling with it. That said I do like a couple of the Fender amps a lot ... 59 twin as an example, so perhaps I can work with that. I'm not sure if it's me, but playing around with the knobs as per the vid didn't really do much for my ears... especially the reverb switch and as I understand it once set you can only switch from one setting to another with a footswitch. Didn't realise just how important this might be. At the time I was looking I also considered the Marshall MG30CFX .. that is very similar, but no need for a computer and you can get a 4 way switch... one part of me says I should cut my losses and get that one ....... So, staying with the Fender for the moment...... Maybe I can do without the American tone one, that would leave me free to get a better reverb switch.... Oh yes ... the amp has a closed back by the way.... |
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