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Post by easyrider on Oct 21, 2018 18:08:17 GMT
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Post by roberto on Oct 21, 2018 19:33:22 GMT
They looks the same, but the HB CLF 200 is cheaper than the chinese one.
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Post by easyrider on Oct 21, 2018 19:52:03 GMT
Yes , they are the same. I'm just curious, where and how did the Aliexpress sellers get this guitar? And what a nerve to sell it for this price! China is wonderland.
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 22, 2018 2:43:33 GMT
I don't think intellectual property can be claimed on the curves of a guitar and a copy is not a counterfeit. A counterfeit is when you sign with someone else's name, not when you sing someone else's song.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 22, 2018 3:25:18 GMT
I don't think intellectual property can be claimed on the curves of a guitar and a copy is not a counterfeit. A counterfeit is when you sign with someone else's name, not when you sing someone else's song. I believe a guitar can not be an exact copy it has to be a certain % different in shape and obviously the headstock has to be different. If I'm correct Was it not Ibanez that hit with lawsuits by Gibson back in the 70's? I think that's why the copies in the far east can not be imported because they infringe the % thingy. I may be wrong? In which case I'm sure LeoThunder will correct me. 😎
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 22, 2018 5:43:37 GMT
I don't think intellectual property can be claimed on the curves of a guitar and a copy is not a counterfeit. A counterfeit is when you sign with someone else's name, not when you sing someone else's song. I believe a guitar can not be an exact copy it has to be a certain % different in shape and obviously the headstock has to be different. If I'm correct Was it not Ibanez that hit with lawsuits by Gibson back in the 70's? I think that's why the copies in the far east can not be imported because they infringe the % thingy. I may be wrong? In which case I'm sure LeoThunder will correct me. 😎 I doubt there is anything as a certain % regulation. This cannot be measured so it cannot be the basis for a clear cut rule either. Some judgement was rendered sometime ago somewhere stating that the Stratocaster shape had become so omnipresent and synonymous of the guitar image that ownership of it could not be claimed. This would equally apply to a Les Paul. The headstock shape, however, was acknowledged as a form of signature, and therefore protected, I suppose. So the lawsuits of the 70s might not succeed today but even a failing lawsuit can be serious intimidation in the hand of a wealthy claimant. Gibson could sue any small fish into the ground even if it lost the cases, which is probably why Thomann have made some alterations to their SC's and DC's. The Strat's are exact copies, except the headstock, because Fender doesn't seem to care.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 22, 2018 10:24:11 GMT
I believe a guitar can not be an exact copy it has to be a certain % different in shape and obviously the headstock has to be different. If I'm correct Was it not Ibanez that hit with lawsuits by Gibson back in the 70's? I think that's why the copies in the far east can not be imported because they infringe the % thingy. I may be wrong? In which case I'm sure LeoThunder will correct me. 😎 I doubt there is anything as a certain % regulation. This cannot be measured so it cannot be the basis for a clear cut rule either. Some judgement was rendered sometime ago somewhere stating that the Stratocaster shape had become so omnipresent and synonymous of the guitar image that ownership of it could not be claimed. This would equally apply to a Les Paul. The headstock shape, however, was acknowledged as a form of signature, and therefore protected, I suppose. So the lawsuits of the 70s might not succeed today but even a failing lawsuit can be serious intimidation in the hand of a wealthy claimant. Gibson could sue any small fish into the ground even if it lost the cases, which is probably why Thomann have made some alterations to their SC's and DC's. The Strat's are exact copies, except the headstock, because Fender doesn't seem to care. Fender left it too late over body shapes, unlike Gibson or Rickenbacker who went after copies from the outset. I think HB got to close to the SG and had to change the DC. There are rules or % whatever you want to call it, by all means copy a Gibson exactly (body and control layout) and start trying to sell them. You will get away with it in certain parts of the world but not the west. Now I'm not an expert in this area and don't claim to be, you would not have the super strat if Ibanez had not been sued by Gibson. At least it forces companies to come up new designs not just fairly close copies.
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 22, 2018 10:38:18 GMT
Now I'm not an expert in this area and don't claim to be, you would not have the super strat if Ibanez had not been sued by Gibson. At least it forces companies to come up new designs not just fairly close copies. I wouldn't think that. The "super Strat'" is not an Ibanez invention. Gibson even made one before they did, in 1981: The Ibanez RG, or rather the JEM before it, caught people's affection thanks to its aggressively pointy character. There have been loads of original designs throughout the 50s and 60s.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 22, 2018 10:46:43 GMT
Now I'm not an expert in this area and don't claim to be, you would not have the super strat if Ibanez had not been sued by Gibson. At least it forces companies to come up new designs not just fairly close copies. I wouldn't think that. The "super Strat'" is not an Ibanez invention. Gibson even made one before they did, in 1981: The Ibanez RG, or rather the JEM before it, caught people's affection thanks to its aggressively pointy character. There have been loads of original designs throughout the 50s and 60s. Is that Gibson really a super strat? No humbuckers? I'm not arguing with you but as I said build a les paul copy exactly and start selling them.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 22, 2018 10:48:45 GMT
My eyes failed me LeoThunder bad colour scheme on that gibson and my phone 😎
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 22, 2018 10:58:42 GMT
It's an HSH with zebra humbuckers. Zebras seem to have been quite popular then, my Aria has them too but placed symmetrically, black outside, cream inside. Gibsons don't care for looks… That Victory thing looked… funny.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 22, 2018 11:17:12 GMT
I couldn't see the zebra humbuckers, I need a bigger phone screen!
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 22, 2018 11:22:35 GMT
I'm not arguing with you but as I said build a les paul copy exactly and start selling them. You're probably right but if Thomann can get away by making a horn a little pointier (and only nerds would know it, I certainly wouldn't have noticed unless told), then that allowed percentage of similarity is apparently 100 minus whatever can be put into a few words. Any little difference will see you free to pillage someone else's successful design idea.
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Post by LeoThunder on Oct 22, 2018 11:23:27 GMT
I couldn't see the zebra humbuckers, I need a bigger phone screen! I heard zebras dress this way to make lions dizzy.
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