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Post by bentonlad on Jan 25, 2019 6:45:47 GMT
Hi guys so I've been looking at the lovely Cos 41 for a year now. I've played the similar Sigma dr41 and considering it's half the price I wonder is the Hb up to the job of gigging weekly. I do mainly folkie/roots stuff. There's at least 3 guitars I'd like to get. I'm worried because all the musicians I know say the Hb are not worth a penny. Please help. Also pictures of your 41 would be nice
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 9:01:37 GMT
Welcome to the club! dodger is one of the lads here gigging weekly with his CLD-41S . I play my CLD-41S at home but think is a very loud and projecting guitar. Very clear and with nice harmonics/over tones. Also has that nice tube-like compressed tone when chord is hit harder. I think this is an amazing guitar. Also the CLA-16S is a very good guitar but much quieter than this CLD-41 you are asking about.
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Post by dodger on Jan 25, 2019 9:05:44 GMT
Hi bentonladI've used one for 2 and a half years gigging in pubs, clubs and a couple of festivals and it's never let me down. I alternate between that and my CLA28VE. Both great guitars and for me on par with any Sigma and the low end laminate back Martins - maybe even better.
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Post by bentonlad on Jan 25, 2019 10:15:45 GMT
Hi bentonlad I've used one for 2 and a half years gigging in pubs, clubs and a couple of festivals and it's never let me down. I alternate between that and my CLA28VE. Both great guitars and for me on par with any Sigma and the low end laminate back Martins - maybe even better. I like the look of the CLA that's the 2 I'd like. I guess I'm a bit wary of showing up a folk club and the musicians raising eyebrows at my budget guitars!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 11:10:10 GMT
Ah yes, those musicians that raise their eyebrows Even if the HB sound very good, even as good as their Martins and Gibsons they will NEVER EVER admit it as they have paid lots of money for theirs and by saying that HB sounds incredible they are basically throwing away all that invested money into a toilet Some people also need that fact that instruments cost lots of money, and once they have it, the Mojo is just so right. Which is fine with me but no reason to look down at lesser known brands if they also sounds as good. I played some Martins and Gibsons in a shop and didn't like any of them, from sound to playability it just felt wrong. I think higher end Yamaha guitars sounded very good indeed but my HB CLD-41S sounds as good so ... or should I do the eyebrow
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Post by dodger on Jan 25, 2019 11:10:33 GMT
Hi bentonlad I've used one for 2 and a half years gigging in pubs, clubs and a couple of festivals and it's never let me down. I alternate between that and my CLA28VE. Both great guitars and for me on par with any Sigma and the low end laminate back Martins - maybe even better. I like the look of the CLA that's the 2 I'd like. I guess I'm a bit wary of showing up a folk club and the musicians raising eyebrows at my budget guitars! Don't mind the snobs - I've had people who own Taylors and Martins play my guitars and they were astounded when I told them what they cost. I think there are a few reviews on the Thomann site where someone has rocked up in a club with their HB and their Martin-playing friend has been really impressed. I'm sure someone on here said their friend sold 2 Martins after buying HBs.
For my CLD41SE (that's it in my avitar) it took one strum to know it was a great guitar. The CLA28VE took a bit of warming to but only because I was used to dreadnoughts. Very slim body and slightly wider nut. To be honest I'm using my CLA28VE more and more recently because it's smaller, lighter and sounds great through a PA. the guitars are very different the dread has a great strummers sound - full and loud as @chedapapa said but the 000 is more focussed and tight. I paid under £500 for both combined and the CLA is better than a Taylor GS Mini and I'd say the CLD is at least as good as Martin's DX series. Both these guitars cost around £650 so 2 for less than the price of one. In my opinion you're paying a lot for what's on the headstock with those models. To be honest I think a lot of people just assume mine are Martins until they get up close as they are very good copies.
Unplugged the CLD41SE is a great guitar - very close to that Martin sound.
I've just bought an all-solid wood Faith guitar that plays and sounds great but I won't be retiring any of these anytime soon.
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Post by bentonlad on Jan 25, 2019 12:15:28 GMT
Ok guys you sold me. Ordering 1 next week
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 13:00:27 GMT
Please note the materials used for sides and back of the CLD41S WN ! Its Walnut and this guitar can sound bright. Its a good guitar to cut through the mix in a band situation but on its own might lack some low end! The one dodger has is the old version with either Mahogani or Rosewood??? This Walnut version is a VERY loud guitar. I played once with a guy who had a LAG guitar that cost 3 times the CLD41 and my HB was at least 3x louder than his! He hit a chord and then I hit the same chord and he just looked at me then looked at my CLD41 and said " that is a very projecting guitar". His LAG sounded rather muffled which could be good for singer songwriting stuff to acompany your vocals but less so in a band situation where more stuff is going on.
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Post by bentonlad on Jan 25, 2019 13:45:24 GMT
Ohhhhhhh now there's a problem I play mostly solo or duo but rarely in a group situation or another guitar. I guess the walnut is not for me I hate bright guitars. In fact I always tune down 1/2 step to get more bassy sounds
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Post by Vincent on Jan 25, 2019 14:30:39 GMT
bentonlad There can be quite a lot of variance in sound with acoustic guitars that are the same model even with the same timbers. Give it a try. If you don't like it you can send it back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 14:53:30 GMT
This CLD-41S WN rings and zings and will not provide that low end you desire. I would look for darker sounding models with mahogani back and sides. Maybe try get the CLD-15M, all Mahogani ? I had CLD-15M guitar, that one had much low end but lacking in treble, very earthy sounding. I dont sing but only fiddle around with chords and play solo lines too so need my acoustic to have some treble.
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Post by bentonlad on Jan 25, 2019 14:55:36 GMT
This CLD-41S WN rings and zings and will not provide that low end you desire. I would look for darker sounding models with mahogani back and sides. Maybe try get the CLD-15M, all Mahogani ? I had CLD-15M guitar, that one had much low end but lacking in treble, very earthy sounding. I dont sing but only fiddle around with chords and play solo lines too so need my acoustic to have some treble. I'm surprised a dreadnaught would sound that bright?
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Post by dodger on Jan 25, 2019 14:59:16 GMT
bentonlad maybe the CLA15M or the mahogany dread might suit you - mahogany top sounds darker to my ears. @chedapapa my CLD41 has rosewood back and sides. I don't find it overly bright. The highs do shimmer but the lows are great too without being overpowering. Very balanced guitar and perfect all-rounder. It has that throaty chunky sound that you associate with Martins. It is a thing of beauty too (and I don't really like bling on guitars) - the abalone is very well done and the matte finish is lovely and lets the guitar breathe. teh top on mine has darkened down nicely and i tlooks older than it is. As @isaac Wednesday says every guitar is different and you can always send it back if you don't like it.
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Post by bentonlad on Jan 25, 2019 15:08:40 GMT
Do you have any pic or vids Dodger
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Post by dodger on Jan 25, 2019 15:54:26 GMT
This is my old 2 piece's promo video. there are a few other videos on the same channel of both my acoustic HBs but hard to hear as I'm far away from a condenser mic in 2 or 3 and recording on my phone on a couple of others.
I've since started playing solo and still using these guitar but might try out the new Faith this weekend.
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