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Post by salteedog on Jun 26, 2018 9:25:05 GMT
What would happen if you removed the middle 4 screws altogether from a 6 point trem?
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 26, 2018 9:27:42 GMT
What would happen if you removed the middle 4 screws altogether from a 6 point trem? I think that might make it a 2 point trem?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 9:53:09 GMT
The main importantce for me regarding the 2-point trem was the ease to adjust it. Those two screws make life so much easier. Also the saddles are very nice on that trem as the strings have an even distance which I like (might chage that on my ST-62). "Stable Tuning" has NOTHING to do with the tremolo but with the NUT only! Make sure the nut sloths are not too tight and you good to go. DefJef thanks for that tip! Using only 2 outher screws on a 6 point trem! Will tests that and see if me likey! I sure miss a guitar with a trem (right now my ST-62 trem is locked down)
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Post by doktorsteve on Jun 26, 2018 10:07:08 GMT
I personally don't believe that a 6 point trem actually contacts all 6 screws. How could the tolerances be that good? The odds are that a 6 point trem is actually a 2 point trem and the points in contact depend on the angle of the trem. I seem to remember that the trem on my PAC112 had sleeves around the outer screws presumably to allow the screws to flex so that some of the loading was taken by the inner screws. Not sure if that is a common thing. I changed to a Wilkinson 2 point trem so I don't have the holes any more to check that!
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 26, 2018 10:12:42 GMT
"Stable Tuning" has NOTHING to do with the tremolo but with the NUT only! Make sure the nut sloths are not too tight and you good to go. It also has to do with the bridge returning to its exact position, which can be hampered by friction. I saw someone explain that raising the front of the plate (by raising the screws, 2 or 6) and lowering the saddles to compensate on the string action would improve stability by reducing the angle at which the strings are bent over the saddles. I suppose a similar argument can be made about the strength of the springs. The weaker they are, the more likely the bridge is likely to remain stuck short of its way back into place.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 26, 2018 10:13:58 GMT
I personally don't believe that a 6 point trem actually contacts all 6 screws. How could the tolerances be that good? The odds are that a 6 point trem is actually a 2 point trem and the points in contact depend on the angle of the trem. I seem to remember that the trem on my PAC112 had sleeves around the outer screws presumably to allow the screws to flex so that some of the loading was taken by the inner screws. Not sure if that is a common thing. I changed to a Wilkinson 2 point trem so I don't have the holes any more to check that! Its a bit like the hinge on a door, it will work perfectly with the 2 outside screws in and the middle 2 left out. It could damage a cheaper/thinner hinge causing it to buckle/deform but it would depend on the weight of the door? Like a lot of things we tend to over engineer them to be on the safe side.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Jun 26, 2018 10:19:32 GMT
I have no trouble with tuning, intonation with the trem on my strat. Its decked has five heavy duty springs holding it tightly there and is the 6 screw fixing, the whammy bar is in the back of the cupboard where it belongs.
That's just my opinion on trems😁
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 26, 2018 10:25:29 GMT
What would happen if you removed the middle 4 screws altogether from a 6 point trem? It's just down to the strain again. I'd imagine the skinny screws may start working into the grain of the wood. Not much though. I wonder at what point Leo decided 6 was right? The hardware store around the corner was selling them in 6-packs
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Post by DefJef on Jun 26, 2018 10:25:33 GMT
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 26, 2018 10:29:49 GMT
I have no trouble with tuning, intonation with the trem on my strat. Its decked has five heavy duty springs holding it tightly there and is the 6 screw fixing, the whammy bar is in the back of the cupboard where it belongs. That's just my opinion on trems😁 Sometimes I feel the same about bridge pick-ups…
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Post by DefJef on Jun 26, 2018 11:08:43 GMT
It's just down to the strain again. I'd imagine the skinny screws may start working into the grain of the wood. Not much though. I wonder at what point Leo decided 6 was right? The hardware store around the corner was selling them in 6-packs If I remember correctly didn't he choose screws that the automotive industry was using so they'd be quicker for a builder to drill in?
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Post by LeoThunder on Jun 26, 2018 12:16:02 GMT
The hardware store around the corner was selling them in 6-packs If I remember correctly didn't he choose screws that the automotive industry was using so they'd be quicker for a builder to drill in? At $250 Strat's were cheaper than most of the Gibson product line as well as one of the most innovative instruments around. Readily available screws were likely cheaper to use.
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