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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 10:10:58 GMT
If the Silver Horse can add a bit more breakup than the Mosky boost that I love anyway I'll be happy. One thing that surprises me though is two contradictory claims about Klon Centaurs. That they were designed to react like a LOUD amp at lower volumes AND they they do not compress your signal. That seems a bit odd as we know that a good deal of compression COMES from the power tubes of an amp being driven hard. I don't quite get that. I've always found that the best way to get a bit of loud amp reaction at bedroom levels is to add a compressor. Maybe he was only used to amps without master volumes so his boosting of the front tubes seemed new to him? Not the same though. Perhaps we should see Centaurs as two effects in one. A booster to get preamp breakup and the gain part of the circuit that is emulating the power amp sound. Where's the compression though  . |
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Sept 29, 2020 11:20:24 GMT
I don't know @defjef but if we start getting to techy I'll need a cold compress for my head. 🥵
One thing we didn't talk about is the buffer stage of the clon circuit? I'm not sure if all the clones have that as most claim true bypass? I may have misunderstood the way the buffer is employed depending on how you set the controls. From my amateur understanding the true bypass negates the need of the buffer? I'm probably wrong. 🤔
I read tons of **** on the klon a lot was contradictory. My limited take on it was you can boost the power/clean signal and blend the gain as desired? As we've said use it as a boost or overdrive or a bit of each. How the various stages or paths the signal takes depending on control settings I wouldn't pretend to understand. I don't know enough about circuits to know how compression would be added or removed. Again the use of buffer stage being on or off at certain points confused me, not that hard to do. 🥴
All I can say is it's the pedal/sound that was closet to the sound I had in my head, if that makes sense. I'm the wrong person to be chatting with on how it does it. While I understand to a certain degree what clipping etc does and what effects do, I certainly don't know enough to explain how the circuit/components actually achieve it. While I'd be quite happy and confident I could follow a wiring diagram and build a pedal I can't say I'd know how it really works. 🙂
Unfortunately @defjef I'm not quite as inquisitive as yourself. While I like to have a basic understanding of what's happening I can't get excited enough to want to know a more technically knowledgeable answer. I'm the same with cars all I really want to know is where to put the petrol/diesel and key in. I know what the basic functions of the internal combustion engine are but couldn't care less about turbo vs 16valve etc. 😜
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 11:29:13 GMT
Yes I came across that buffer mentioned. Does the Silver Horse have it? The Soul Food has an internal switch to select either buffered or true bypass. Nice.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Sept 29, 2020 11:55:18 GMT
I don't know I haven't looked at the internals. That's a plus for the soul food, whether it makes much difference I could only guess. What confused me with the buffer was I couldn't work out if they meant true bypass did away with the buffer completely , or just took the place of the buffer in the off mode? Unless I got it totally wrong? It came across as the buffer part of the circuit was employed in different ways depending how the controls are set?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 12:37:41 GMT
Bill's Klon replacement, the KTR, has an on off switch too. It's only buffering when the pedal itself is off. This is NORMALLY the way to test whether your pedal is true bypass. Will it work with the power pulled out? Some 'true bypasses' have an unfortunate circuit that doesn't quite do this though!
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Sept 29, 2020 13:19:02 GMT
In that coda article the buffer analysis part is what really confused me. It came across as the buffer was not just in use in the off position? I may well have got the wrong end of the stick. I know about the true bypass claims of some cheap pedals.
You sound like the soul food is winning you over. Tbh you have experience of that pedal and appear like it? I know its about 3 times the price of the mosky, it may save you wasting money on a mosky that disappoints you.
As I've said all along I love the mosky but a slightly more expensive klon clone may be the way to go? I've had mine well over 18 months and cant fault it (probably just put the kiss of death on it). I do wonder if it's robust enough to put up with gigging, although I've read of people using them live with no problems.
I think I'm now a klon disciple so an upgrade to a better quality or more expensive clone is due. Plus I can keep the Mrs happy by letting her get me something for my birthday. 👍
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 15:02:39 GMT
Have you tried the Klon into another drive or distortion pedal blindwilly3fingers? I'm actually not opposed to the Mosky. I've never really liked buffers...well either that or I just don't gel with all the Bosses that I've had. Never really liked a single one of them. |
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Sept 29, 2020 16:34:28 GMT
Yes I've tried it into my other drive/distortion pedals @defjef. It allows you to boost/enhance the other drives cleaner lower gain settings. It's different to just using my boost pedal into the other drives.
I have the crazy cacti drive (fulltone mosfet klone) obviously that has a built in boost section. But feeding the mosky into just the drive side gives a ton of other options, that are different to the cacti boost.
I'm not sure what words to use but using the mosky into my sonicake distortion pedal make it a lot more useable. Instead of a raging cacophony of noise you can tame it down quite a bit. Make less harsh and more tuneful if that makes sense?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 17:09:00 GMT
All sounds very encouraging. The way I see it if a Klon is attempting to respond like a driven amp then anything after it is similar to using an effects loop... but more so because it's like the loop is AFTER the power stage of an amp!
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Sept 29, 2020 17:51:04 GMT
Yeah you could well be right @defjef. You know I'm gonna get another klon clone now definitely. Just when I was starting to control the Gas.
I'm so glad we got into a klon clone discussion again. 😭 😭 😭 😭
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Sept 30, 2020 17:09:46 GMT
It was a toss up between the Joyo tauren or the caline pegasus in the end. Reread loads of reviews and top 10 best klon clones under £100 etc.
I really fancied the Joyo but was put of due to reviews saying it has more gain than others. While that may be good to push the amp I was concerned it could lead to more dirt being introduced?
Anyway the Joyo worked out at £53 And the caline was only £34 on amazon as opposed to £49 at spartan music. I went for the caline even though I really fancied the Joyo. My way of justifying this is if I don't like the pegasus or its not as good as reviews make out. I've only spent £34 and the Joyo only means I buy a 3rd klon kline!!!!
The joys of becoming a klon disciple and getting another bout of Gas!!!!
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Sept 30, 2020 17:47:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 20:29:54 GMT
It'll be interesting to see if you hear or feel a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 20:37:53 GMT
I don't see the Caline Pegasus on Amazon.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Sept 30, 2020 20:54:07 GMT
I had the last one, it said only one in stock another reason I pulled the trigger.
Tbh @defjef I'm not expecting it to sound any better than the mosky. It always appears to get praised for build quality in most reviews. That's my only worry with the silver horse is its durability, especially that little voice switch.
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