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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 2:58:12 GMT
After an inexpensive fuzz pedal.
Seeking opinions on the following, if they're any good, and would be suitable for purpose. I'm not a gear snob nor purist.
Tone I'm really looking for is vintage fuzz. i.e. Rolling Stones "Satisfaction", general early '60s Kinks distortion/fuzz on "You Really Got Me" without cutting my speaker, through early 70s Rock.
But I'm cheap. Not wanted for public pro performances. Near enough will be good enough.
Looking at Behringer SF300 Super Fuzz and Joyo JF-12 Voodoo Octave. Either of those any good for what I want to do? Which would you choose?
Already have a NUX HG-6 High Gain Distortion pedal which NUX have since rebadged Twinote Pi Fuzz. It kinda' dials in to do fuzz, but is really a more modern distortion to my ears.
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Post by MartinB on Dec 8, 2020 9:39:00 GMT
I've heard good things about both pedals, but have no experience of them myself. I think I would tend towards the Voodoo Octave as it's supposed to be a clone of a pedal I used to own which was excellent. I can't remember off the top of my head what the Super Fuzz is a clone of. I would also consider the Biyang Fuzz Star, which probably doesn't help you
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 15:38:10 GMT
Beware: the Behringer SF300 Super Fuzz is NOT what you want. It's a clone of the discontinued Boss FZ-2, a rather modern and harsh sounding gated fuzz. I had a FZ-2 in the 90's, which I used in an Industrial band. That should tell you something
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 15:39:48 GMT
I suggest the Caline Candy Floss fuzz if you want a vintage sound. It sounds excellent on YT-demos and it's dirt cheap (check eBay)!
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Dec 8, 2020 18:53:24 GMT
I have the Voodoo Octave, tbh I don't use the octave bit very much. It's got quite a good range of varying degrees of fuzz.
I can't knock it, does the fuzz thing very well. I can't compare it with any other fuzz so can't say if it's the best choice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 21:26:57 GMT
Thanks all for your replies. @ MartinB Behringer SF300 Super Fuzz apparently => (discontinued) BOSS FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz clone. Joyo SF-12 Voodoo Octave. Octave part supposedly kinda' Fulltone Ultimate Octave tones. blindwilly3fingers Joyo F-12 Voodoo Octave. Gets mixed reviews, but I'd expect that from pedal purists and defensive owners invested in how much they paid for expensive overprice (IMV) originals pulling the star ratings down. Least expensive or me to procure, and I like its all metal construction and am generally fond of the quality and performance Joyo brand, although admittedly they do make some misses as well as hits in pedals. Have you played any 60's material through it yet? If so, would "does the fuzz thing very well" apply? it's the fuzz aspect I'm after rather than the Octave. @coldwar1977 Re the SF300 Super Fuzz. What about on setting 1? Quote: "The mode knob from the FZ-2 is replaced by a switch giving you 3 modes: - Fuzz 1 is a vintage Univox Super Fuzz tone - Fuzz 2 is kind of a 70s Big Muff (super saturated, scooped, etc)" End quote. Not familiar with that first tone. Any good for my intended application? Yes/No. I'll check out the Caline Candy Floss fuzz. It's the most expensive of those three to source from where I live by a 50% price premium. I have one Caline product so far, a pedal PSU. Does the job, and 3 years on it's proven reliable. DefJef Thanks for the link. I'll take the time to watch it. I usually research anything I buy to some degree beforehand rather than act on impulse, but then tend to act decisively rather than overthink it which only leads to confusion, crippling indecision & procrastination. The NUX HG-6 I own offers a good modern fuzz and distortion fiddling with its controls. Paraphrased, someone reported it as "Tony Iommi's tone in a stompbox". I'd have to say though, that the only Sabbath song I really like is "Paranoid" which metal purists would spit on as commercial and hardly term heavy rock. Regardless that's the tune which launched them from obscurity to mega recognition and fame overnight. I'm not a metal or Sabbath fan in particular, but I liked 'Paranoid" then, and that hasn't worn off on me in 50 years. Just good writing and hit the right pleasingly popular combination of hook and catchy riff, if penned quickly and a fluke. If dissimilar from, but bearing the same epic songwriting hallmark to me was Golden Earring's "Radar Love". Even today, can't get enough of the original studio production of that tune (including brass). Every aspect of it from the driving bass riff, the guitar parts applied in just the right places, the drumming and drum solo, all moulded together with Barry Hay's expressive vocal with storytelling lyrics in a can't ever get enough of it result. Epic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 22:57:47 GMT
I can get a pretty good fuzz effect from my Blackstar ID Series 260TVP selecting one of the dialed in patches, but I don't have its proprietary footpedal yet, which is A. expensive, and B. reportedly has some digital delay issues in initialisation as well as being C. prone to failure. Not spending AUD$160 on it until Blackstar respond and user reports confirm they have fixed these issues. But I'm not holding my breath given Blackstar's prior record for customer service or acknowledging fault. For all their advertising spin on YT and elsewhere, word of mouth in this regard hurts them and their otherwise generally innovative decent competitively priced amplification products IMO.
Really wanting the fuzz pedal for use with the 260TVP until I have a footswitch for it, & with my Artist 30 Blonde valve amp, which did come supplied OOTB with a Blackstar footswitch BTW, albeit a simpler two switch unit, all that's required in its case.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 23:15:11 GMT
Watched the vid. Other than tonal variation appreciation, not a great deal of use to me, but thanks for posting it nevertheless.
No intention of paying the price near of any of those still available, nor buying an American manufactured or marketed pedal.
I'm content to compromise for price.
Here's why, from a retired (now fixed income in a world where earning interest rates are at record lows) Aussie's standpoint. American made products have committed slow commercial suicide in the international marketplace (ROW, as in rest of the world) except to emotionally attached recalcitrants AFAIC due to the absurdity of the overvalued USD exacerbated by the cost of American labour paid in that currency with margins expected and applied at every step through to retail at maximum grudge buy resistance price points as if some silly marketing name is going to induce those reasoning and discerning mind to part with their $$$.
If earning in USD and living there (I did for a time once) in that very price competitive retail marketplace with loads of choice, prices might seem more amenable. From outside that continent, how does "get stuffed" to Marketed by any American Corporation or Made in USA sound? -a once ubiquitous colloquially Australian slang term, possibly of British origin.
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Post by DefJef on Dec 8, 2020 23:46:48 GMT
That pedal sounds the nuts! Good old Blackstar, their customer service did get back to me to assure me that the unacceptable hiss that my amp always makes is a feature that they have built into their ID Core range. So if anyone's isn't hissing like Cleopatra's basket of figs they should ask for a new one. I wasn't expecting you to stump up for one those pedals @manxcat . The purpose was to hear the different styles of fuzz so that you may be able to track down a suitable cheap clone of any that appeal to you.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Dec 8, 2020 23:53:38 GMT
The Voodoo Octave has a decent range IMHO it can be mild to full on. It also has The mid cut toggle switch. To me I can get vintage to more modern heavily distorted fuzz (excuse my poor terminology). As I said in the earlier post it can get a varied range of fuzz tones.
As an example I can get a pretty good simulation of the fuzz sound of Spirit in the Sky. Alas I have yet to get that stutter though, I've tried weak batteries (battery sag) and other things suggested on the net. Sadly it seems nobody really knows exactly how it's done. Apparently his (Mr Greenbaum) guitar had a fuzz ciruit built in but that stuttering juddering is proving rather elusive.
I don't want to say yes it's the pedal for you @manxcat as I can't compare it to a vintage fuzz face or maestro fuzz. I will say I think it's a bloody good fuzz pedal and works for me. Sorry I just can't say without doing a side by side comparison if it's truly vintage or more modern. I'll add to that I think Satisfaction sounds great through it. 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 0:19:38 GMT
That pedal sounds the nuts! Good old Blackstar, their customer service did get back to me to assure me that the unacceptable hiss that it always makes is a feature that they have built into their ID Core range. So if anyone's isn't hissing like Cleopatra's basket of figs they should ask for a new one. I wasn't expecting you to stump up for one those pedals @manxcat . The purpose was to hear the different styles of fuzz so that you may be able to track down a suitable cheap clone of any that appeal to you. Apols if I came across as unappreciative in my reponse DefJef I can tend to Teutonically terse at times, arguably Aspergic in directness, and communicating in writing doesn't help that any. PS. Agree with your re Blackstar CS. Love their amps, detest their non-existent 'customer service' and scripted spin if any reply is received at all, and have told them so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 0:25:53 GMT
blindwilly3fingers I'm a total fuzz Gumby. I find fuzz the most confusing of the pedals to discern vs overdrives and distortions in their variations, or a booster, even compressor which took a while to understand and appreciate properly). Thanks for the updated elaborative response.
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Post by MartinB on Dec 9, 2020 7:41:51 GMT
I can't say for sure, but I think the Fulltone is the fuzz used on this song.
I did have the Fulltone but sold it.
It's a really good pedal, I would expect the Joyo to be really good too.
Re the spluttering dying fuzz sound, low batteries are supposed to achieve it, can't say I ever chased that particular tone, pedals with a Bias knob are supposed to be able to achieve it though.
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