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Post by nappel on Mar 9, 2016 6:45:24 GMT
please check out my video i did some time ago. it shows everything you need to know. no measuring tools requred. its all about the feel.i cannot watch it...my english makes me cringe...:-)
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DefJef
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Post by DefJef on Mar 9, 2016 11:26:59 GMT
That seems to cover it all nappel! And what's wrong with your English? Sounded absolutely perfect to me. I can assure you I hear worse over my garden fence. Then again I do live in Wales. Couple of things I do differently. Trem I always adjust so that a full pull up gives me a full tone change on the B - this results in a semitone change on the top E and a tone and a half on the G. My string winding I always make sure the string gets trapped by one full winding above the string before making them wind down below it. I always think this grips the string better but may be snake oil nonsense - I just feel safer that way. I also bend the cut end down with pliers because I hate to get stabbed in the finger. (I always get stabbed in the finger). Finally, I like to do these neck adjustments and string height adjustments in the playing position. I worry that having the weight of the guitar on a neck stand it can SLIGHTLY push the neck forward. I love how every time that guitar makes any musical sound at all, an accidentally twanged string or a pulled trem, that you laugh as you would if a baby did anything pleasing. You were born to play music.
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Post by nytar on Mar 9, 2016 20:58:39 GMT
good video and I agree, even in the middle of the united states and hear much worse english. you actually do rather well.
now someone mentioned adjusting the tailpiece. can anyone describe in more detail about this process? I got it to playable levels for me by adjusting the action. but it feel like more can be done to "soften" the strings.
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Post by musiker01 on Mar 10, 2016 5:00:55 GMT
I allways setup my guitars for "feeling".
That means: the neck has a slight bow (that allows me to play with more picking dynamics in the middle of the fretboard), the string height is that high that my fingertips can grap the string while bendeing but the string doesn't flush under my finger and is not so high that my bending finger will go under the next string -but rather "push" the string out of its way. Mostly, if i measure the height afterwards, its about 1,8 mm on trebleside and 2-2,3 mm on bass side anyway, so i can even set it by measuring, result is mostly the same.
Same goes for Pickup Height. If i set it by ear and eyes than anyway its mostly about 2mm Treble- and Bass-side, so for easier setting after swapping i measure 2 mm each side.
Vibrato i set floating. On Vintage Trems i like it coming quiet high off the Body.
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Post by nappel on Mar 10, 2016 6:44:43 GMT
good video and I agree, even in the middle of the united states and hear much worse english. you actually do rather well. now someone mentioned adjusting the tailpiece. can anyone describe in more detail about this process? I got it to playable levels for me by adjusting the action. but it feel like more can be done to "soften" the strings. yes,just raise the tailpiece a bit,tune the guitar,check how it feels. its not like the tailpiece have to be all the way down. it makes bends easier,here is a photo of one of my SGs s27.postimg.org/l2d5k7r9v/IMG_20160310_073915.jpg
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Post by nytar on Mar 10, 2016 9:12:59 GMT
wow, thats way flatter then mine is. I thought you would lose sustain being that high.
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DefJef
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Post by DefJef on Mar 10, 2016 9:25:03 GMT
Seems not. Perhaps the tension is so high that the string can't vibrate for very long when the tailpiece is decked to the body. Our old friend Dan Erlewine (you'll find him on YouTube/Seymour Duncan/Amazon) really recommends this kind of high tailpiece setup and he's rarely wrong about most things. He particularly likes it because he receives so many collapsed tunomatics or bent saddle posts because the tension on the saddle is too great. Looking at nappel's pic you can see the string break is ALMOST as shallow as the dreaded Jazzmaster tremolo setup, but presumably not so low that he gets strings jumping out of their slots. Great pic by the way nappel.
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thunderbird
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Post by thunderbird on Mar 10, 2016 11:45:18 GMT
What kind of a tech was that? Did they ask you any questions before doing work on it? Only really need to screw it right down if you're top wrapping to get enough angle. Severe shortage of techs around here, and needless to say, I am my own tech now. I was thinking of top wrapping, until I read that it wasn't a sin to screw the tailpiece out a bit. I didn't really want to scratch the original, or fork out for another. I must admit, it is starting to grow on me.
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Post by nytar on Mar 10, 2016 18:01:00 GMT
well I know what tonights project is going to be then. last time I looked into this they were talking about needing to have it down solid to the body and needing washers and everything else. wasnt comfortable putting on basically car parts on my guitar. that and the dozen different theories and practices none of which lined up or worked with another. all I did know for sure was not have the strings hit the bridge/saddle body.
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Post by nytar on Mar 10, 2016 18:51:39 GMT
yes, washers, they were saying if the strings were touching the body of the saddle/bridge that you would want to use washers so that the tailpiece was still solidly connected to the body. other then that they were saying as close to touching as possible without it actually touching. mine strings werent touching so I skipped messing with it. they had some rather aggressive angles on theirs.
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