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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 11:34:07 GMT
The CLA28V has a wider nut! 45mm ! This could be very helpful when finger picking! I find 43mm nut to be a bit too tight for my fingers in the open chord section from the 1st to 3rd fret especially, always causing some string buzz against my nails. Hm ... This one also seems to be a copy of Erik Clapton's Martin!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 18:38:22 GMT
12th fret? Are you suggesting a Parlor guitar? All the other HB guitars are at the 14th fret? Only guitars with 12th fret on Thomann are 3000 Euro Taylor If 14th fret is ok for Clapton it sure is fine with me too
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Post by easyrider on May 27, 2018 20:32:17 GMT
Why I don't trust the walnut? Because walnut is not so well known as tradition wood. It comes up when the tropical wood got the import veto and factories needed something to replace the rosewood. Rosewood, maple and mahogany has more than 100 years of proof. Maybe the walnut will ring as well as the others some day, but I think it will take some time when the producers learn to treat walnut that way. Btw, Che, I like that fret noize you named a "zing sound" by moderate way. I got a set of Thomastick strings year ago, but I still can't decide which guitar to restring, I have ten of them. Classical, 2 parlors and 000 have no point to restring with Thomastick, CLD-30 too because this guitar is crap. Only 3 dread or 2 jumbos left to choose Grand auditorium is in Taylor's palette and CLG-550 seems to be a rip-off of it. Did you mention that the guy on demo played in drop D tuning, that way every guitar rings better.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 20:38:40 GMT
The CLD-30 is the most expensive HB acoustic guitar! Why is ti crap? Isn't it ALL SOLID wood?
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Post by easyrider on May 27, 2018 21:07:47 GMT
Yes, feels like I'm telling a lies but I'm NOT! It is all solid and thats why I bought it, but it sounds like an old tin pan. I regret that I did not send it back on time. One more interesting thing. CLD-41 and CLA-28 bodies are made from plywood. On my guitars the outside layer is rosewood but the interior ( not intermediate) is walnut. Thats why I think my Sigma DRC-41 rings little bit better. You're on the right way, Che, wider nut is far better for finger style and CLA-28 is perfect for that.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 21:11:54 GMT
Its always plywood I think if they dont state "solid sides and back". This will not be easy ... not sure if to buy the CLD41 WN or the CLA28V WN ... If I had money I would go for my favorite so far the Yamaha LL16 (which is a Jumbo). Rings out lovely up and down the neck! No boomy mud nonsense at all. Just wow, but it cost around 900 Euros
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Post by easyrider on May 27, 2018 21:16:55 GMT
Oh, yeah, If I had a million dollars... Do you know that tune?
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Post by DefJef on May 27, 2018 21:22:21 GMT
Here's an interesting assessment of walnut?
"Walnut Juglans regia/nigra Black Walnut. Claro Walnut H=3.5, M=3, B=4.1, S=3.8, O=3, T=4 Walnut is exactly the right color for a guitar. Even the plain stuff is pretty, and figured walnut is a favorite wood. You may find tints of red, gray or purple. It machines wonderfully, bends like a dream (except the unpredictable fiddleback samples), & is easy to find. Walnut is an excellent tonewood falling sonically between the warm dark sounds of East Indian Rosewood and the bright bell-like ring of Maple. Both Black Walnut and Claro Walnut are used, and many sets contain fantastic flamed figure, occasionally with strongly contrasting sap wood for a beautiful overall look. Walnut is also found in South America, Africa. The looks and characteristics of all of them vary somewhat. It is hard to find an alternative to maple though tonally, many have had similar results with Californian (Claro) walnut.(Juglans California) Walnut is primarily dark gray in color and can also exhibit dramatic figuring. This rich brown colored wood offers a sound that falls somewhere between Indian Rosewood and Mahogany. It gives the woody sound of Mahogany, but also adds some of the bottom end of Rosewood. Less color to both bass and treble than mahogany. A little more pronounced mids but still with good depth and overtones. Has a spicy aroma.
Some are markedly less enthused about the tonal properties of most of the claro walnut instruments though they acknowledge that it's often quite visually attractive. I have found Black Walnut superior tonally and inferior in appearance - to draw a picture with a blunt pen. It works as easily or more so than any other wood used in building. Black walnut is similarly tonally balanced to koa, but is a bit sparser harmonically, "cleaner-sounding," with fewer harmonics. Black walnut also tends to be louder and more projective than koa, so that in combination with its simpler tonal profile makes it a fine choice for instruments used when playing with other instruments - it "cuts" well.
Black Walnut is softer and less dense than rosewood and mahogany but is still very resonant. This wood has proven itself as a tonewood with large manufacturers and custom builders alike. Similar in density and grain structure to Hawaiian Koa. Black Walnut yields excellent balance with tonal characteristics that fall between Mahogany and Rosewood. The trebles have a unique earthy tone which records very distinctively. Often recommended for a flatpicked sound and mellow fingerstyle playing. With its rich brown color and occasional steaks. Black Walnut has a stripy appearance somewhat like Indian Rosewood.
The sapwood of black walnut is nearly white, while the heartwood is light brown to dark, chocolate brown, often with a purplish cast and darker streaks. The wood is heavy, hard, and stiff and has high shock resistance. Black walnut is straight grained and easily worked with hand tools and by machine. It finishes beautifully and holds paint and stain exceptionally well. It also glues and polishes well. Walnut Is dark brown in color with a lot of figure and flame. An all-walnut guitar provides rich and warm bass with plenty of crispness on the mid and treble side. Walnut offers high value for money, with the beauty and visual impact of an all Koa guitar, but at a much lower price. Walnut Is a dark brown, highly figured specialty wood which is grown in a wide variety of locations. It provides the bright woodiness of mahogany when played lightly and much of the power of rosewood when you dig in. When properly braced, a walnut backed guitar can have a unique warmth and tonal depth.
Wade Hampton Miller: “My comparison of the sound of claro with the sound of cherry is probably the most accurate in terms of getting an idea of the sound. If you've played any Martin Smartwood guitars with cherry backs and sides, you should have an idea of the sort of sound I'm struggling to express.
Cherry is sort of "transparent" sounding, in a way, and doesn't impart a lot of its own tone colors to the sound of the guitar. Claro imparts a bit more, but not to the same extent as black walnut. There's a little bit of that "walnut snap" to the sound, but not as much as there tends to be with black walnut.
I came to this realization after playing as many walnut guitars as I could my hands on, and really liking some but finding some of the most flamboyant-LOOKING ones to be the less musically appealing. I was talking about this with luthier Roy McAlister one day, expressing puzzlement, and he told me: ‘Well, it's the black walnut guitars that appeal to your ear, but the claro walnut guitars that appeal to your eye.’ And he explained to me that claro walnut tends to grow in milder climates while black walnut grows in places with harsher winters, which is what he attributed the tonal differences to. Claro grows faster than black walnut, he said, and thus generally isn't as dense. Roy told me that when he gets orders for claro walnut guitars, he tries to get claro cut in Oregon rather than California, because the winters are colder there and he's had better musical luck with it.”"
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Post by DefJef on May 27, 2018 21:31:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 21:32:36 GMT
Ok so where is that Walnut, used in HB guitars, growing? Cold or Tropical climates? Is HB using Black Walnut or Claro walnut? From internet photos it seem they use the so called "Plain Black Walnut".
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Post by dodger on May 27, 2018 21:58:37 GMT
Walnut to me is a hard wood similar to rosewood - the Gibson j15 with walnut back and sides I played sounded great - clear trebles and nice bass - less warm than mahogany but cleaner - maybe more fizz if that's what you like.
The CLA28VE is perfect for light strumming and fingerpicking. I've been using it more and more for gigs. It's always the first guitar I reach for at home because it's so light and comfortable. I've found myself dampening the CLD41 when I play it because it's so responsive amd loud.
The CLA28 is indeed a great copy of the Martin Clapton. The CLD41 is also a great copy of the Martin D41
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 14:12:02 GMT
Thanks dodger! I think the 28V is my best option as I have issues with my shoulders and dreads can make it hurt because of the arm position. I must find piece with that V shaped neck though. DefJef Guild has a folk guitar that ends on the 14th fret it the bridge is closer to the end pin. It's called Troubadour.
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