DefJef
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Post by DefJef on Aug 8, 2016 8:45:46 GMT
For some reason both of my delay pedals sound a bit thin and even lack volume. This amp has no fx loop sadly. This is not the case with my solid state amp. Not sure why that is. Pedals are Mooer Reecho Twin and Nux Time Core. Check this out Delay pedals before the amp. It might contain some solutions worth thinking about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 18:22:41 GMT
Lots info on some Lynch lad. Ok so Tape or Analogue could sound good and not much in the mix. Will fiddle with it more and see what comes up. Cheers!
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DefJef
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Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Aug 9, 2016 0:34:25 GMT
Lots info on some Lynch lad. Ok so Tape or Analogue could sound good and not much in the mix. Will fiddle with it more and see what comes up. Cheers! If you've got a mix control then the solution may be there. My digital delay doesn't have a mix knob, just an overall level or a repeat one. Could it be anything to do with buffering or impedance? I was reading about the Belcat delay. Some like it, others say that it seems to have a small amount of latency before your picked note sounds, almost like a slight noise gate. Wouldn't like that at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 13:55:33 GMT
I do have a Mix on the Nux Time Core and Wet&Dry knobs on the Mooer Reecho Twin. But before I say more on the delay pedals let me first apologize to you all. I have previously stated that all my pedals sound good with this amp. I am getting more used to this amp with each passing day and I can "feel it" better. Today I noticed that my pedals introduce some kind of muffled sound when in bypass mode and even when engaged. I asked my wife to listen when I play through the bypassed pedals and then guitar direct into amp and she said that when I play via the pedals it seems like someone has put a hat over the amp (muffled sound). So true! I couldn't have said it better me self This amp has such fine dynamic sound when played direct without pedals (Full Stop) Either my pedals suck with this amp or this amp doesnt take pedals that well. Which one is it I dont care. This only means I will have to Bonamassa-it and play it as it is, no pedals, no FX just guitar knobs. Good for me it has a fine sounding Reverb. I will keep the pedals for me Kustom solid state. And in case I need to record some strage FX sound I can always play my NUX MG-200 or Digitech RP70 into interface. This Bugera V5 Inf. is good on its own. Still think it sounds best with single coils. The bridge humbucker pup on my L-450Plus sounds awesome but the neck sounds muffled and too dull.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 14:08:03 GMT
Just to add one more thing: Its seems this amp/speaker has lots of Mids. Maybe a bit too much when I crank the power hence it can sound a little bit "boomy" but not much unless I up the Gain, then the Mid overload shows up and I dont find that pleasant. I think this amp sounds best clean with only slight overdrive and probably best with a sharper sounding Tele pups (dont have those just guessing) But dont let this put you off I love playing this thing! Im just saying if you are a Heavy Metal dude look elsewhere. This aint amp for you.
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Post by salteedog on Aug 9, 2016 15:48:34 GMT
Are you using decent cables with the pedals? High (or is it low) capacitance cables can filter out high frequencies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 16:54:19 GMT
I use the cheapest china made cables. Never has issues with me solid state amp nor in direct recording.
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Post by salteedog on Aug 9, 2016 19:43:17 GMT
Ok. I guess thats whats meant by 'tone suck' then. Presumably the pedals aren't true bypass.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 6:34:09 GMT
I think they are true bypass. I tested playing through the pedal chain without them being powered yet sound comes out the amp. If they weren't true bypass there would be no sound coming out of the amp. Unless I'm misunderstanding true bypass.
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DefJef
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Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Aug 16, 2016 0:42:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 6:12:34 GMT
I agree with that article. I use Gain on max 2 not more and Volume almost full. The attenuator on 1 or 5 watts. Very dynamic clean sound. Still when pedals get engaged the dynamics considerably decrease. Could be the cables. Could be the pedals. Could be the amp not taking well the pedals. Could be this amp sounds so perfect that anything lesser added just kills it awesome tone.
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DefJef
THBC Moderator
Due to musical differences I've decided I can't work with myself any more.
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Post by DefJef on Aug 16, 2016 8:49:13 GMT
I agree with that article. I use Gain on max 2 not more and Volume almost full. The attenuator on 1 or 5 watts. Very dynamic clean sound. Still when pedals get engaged the dynamics considerably decrease. Could be the cables. Could be the pedals. Could be the amp not taking well the pedals. Could be this amp sounds so perfect that anything lesser added just kills it awesome tone. Have a look all over that site, papa. There's loads of subtle articles on tone and a great one about setting your amp's eq levels that might solve that boomy problem you were having (if moving it away fro the wall hasn't).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 11:18:01 GMT
Once pedals were moved away and away from the wall the boomey sound disappeared. It still can be a bit boomey if I crank the Gain, but I don't play with much gain. I think this Bugera suits perfectly my clean arpeggio and chop chords playing. The Reverb is awesome and delay etc can be added in DAW.
I'm afraid a cheap EQ pedal might also screw up the amp dynamics. Maybe time to get some known pedals, some that have already shown their greatness. Not sure NUX is the way to go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 5:11:49 GMT
I think I have made conclusions too fast. Shows how little experience one has and also how impatient one is. I would be a bad scientist.
Any who ... All that boomey sound and loosing dynamics had mostly to do with the cheap China alnico pickups. I played that strat when testing my new Bugera V5 amp. Sure I tested a bit the humbucker a and P90 guitars but not enough to get a real good insight.
I have been playing P90 pups for several days now and they sound the best. Even the NUX Drive Core pedal shines now with them.
The 8" speaker might not be handling its own Gain that good. There is boomey sound if I go over gain 4 or if I place the amp against the wall. The reverb also works bad with gain if over 4 (reverb on 4 that is). That said, when on clean the reverb is usable all the way to 10.
Seems like Gain is changing tone. Also the Tone and Reverb are changing Tone. The Volume seems the only one not affecting the "tone".
The overdrive (NUX Drive Core) sounded great with my TE-90QM P90's when amp gain is set to max 1 and volume on 8. This way the amp isn't loud so Booster helps or setting 5 watt on attenuator too. The NUX OD has also a Booster so that's kind of handy.
I'm looking forward to test my other pedals with these fine sounding P90's and see if they are usable.
I will try and connect my Kustom 12" 8ohm speaker to this Bugera and see how well it handles the Gain knob.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 8:31:36 GMT
I never had a tube amp before so for me this is a new journey and an exciting one must say. I have read on many sites and even heard on many youtube vids that SS amps/Modeling amps + OD/modeling/sim pedals can sound the same as a tube amp. I cant talk for all these out there on the market but from what I've played (Kustom PH2012R, VOX VT20+ , couple of Harley Benton amps, Peavey Vyper, Digitech RP70 pedal, NUX MG-200 pedal) the Bugera V5 most defenetly sounds MUCH more dynamic, warm and the tube breakup sound is just one of a kind. I look at this now like a real fire place and the one you can get on your TV as a screen saver Sure the TV fire place can look much better but hey it will never feel as warm as the real fire place. There is just something in those hot tubes, both sound wise and "presence" wise. It almost "feels" like one is not alone in the room when playing a tube amp, which is not the case when paying my SS amp or pedals. This tube amp also is not forgiving if you do mistakes. With modeling pedals I can make all sorts of mistakes and still sound very much decent but not with this amp. Here I must take care and bend just right, attack the strings just right, etc ... When I talked about the modeling pedals into interface/headphones and stomp pedals into and ss amp saying how awesome they sound, I lacked actual experience with a tube amp. Now I know better. Also to mention that my china alnico single coils do sound very good into modeling pedals or even the ss amp but not so into the Bugera V5. As I mentioned, this tube amp is not forgiving. If something is mediocre it will show it to you
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