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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 17, 2020 21:32:33 GMT
Maybe? I have hybrid amps I don't really use the OD on the amps but I believe I'm pushing the amps pre amp tubes? Maybe I'm not?
With regards to distortion I only have 1 pedal and I hated it but stacking the klone into it makes it useable. Again I put everything into the front of the amp not the effects loop. I should really try more things in the effects loop but even the od's on the amps sound better with the klone in front. I don't know the correct way to do it but I use little gain on the amp and more from the klone or the boost in the past.
As an amendment to that, I was under the impression a lot of 80s stuff was using od pedals into solid state amps? Which is the bit where I get confused if you needs tubes to drive the amp?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 23:05:54 GMT
I was thinking about Gilmour's modus operandi just now and how he uses a clean amp channel with LOADS of clean headroom, getting the core of his sound from compressors, fuzzes, distortions, modulators and delays with very little resorting to overdrives as such. It's a very valid approach but not one that's worked for me yet.
I'm not sure which 80s recordings you may be referring to. It was not a very pleasant era for me music wise although some real gems stand out. Of course Knopfler famously initially played into a solid state which may partly explain his clean sound. SOME solid states do overdrive well though. I've played a couple of Sessionettes that do it well for some reason but take a heck of a lot of dialing in because of their slightly perverse eq.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 23:10:29 GMT
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 17, 2020 23:45:15 GMT
I suppose its all about clipping or getting the amp to clip. Whether a tube amp does this better than a solid state I don't know?
Much the same as whether it's emulation, simulation or the real deal. If it gets the sound I want I'd use it.
When you look at the higher end IR/profiling programmable type amps/effects boxes such as kemper or axeffects etc. They do sound very good. Way out of my price bracket much like a Dumble. Perhaps in a few years they will be cloning pedals like that?
Whatever points it gets to it will still be subjective to each person.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 12:27:46 GMT
I must check out how Steven Wilson goes about it. He always seems like a bit of a tone freak. Wonder if he overdrives or takes the Gilmour approach. Not that Gilmour doesn't SOMETIMES use a TS himself. No doubt it is all about pairing devices to the most satisfying result. That's why I'll be trying STACKING that Pegasus today.
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Post by MartinB on Oct 18, 2020 16:22:58 GMT
hey @defjef, sorry for jumping in without having read all the facts. Are you chasing a sound in your head or something approximating another artist's sound?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 16:34:00 GMT
Neither really MartinB. I'm just trying to find a sound that makes me go "Wow!" plus it then having many uses, is malleable and usable live. Not there yet but my low impedance volume pedal is on its way and that MAY help. I'm not sure I'd be very good at achieving a sound that was in my head...I'm not even sure there are any!  |
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Post by MartinB on Oct 18, 2020 16:43:12 GMT
Sounds like you're facing a large challenge! I'm not sure I even know where to start. Just for something different, ever tried a Jfet or Mosfet equipped distortion? They're supposed to be different, and tricky to get right in a pedal.
demo of a DOD one by that ubiquitous guitar demo guy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 16:55:50 GMT
I have no idea if I have used/do use a Jfet/Mosfet. I'll have to get under the hood I guess.  |
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Post by MartinB on Oct 18, 2020 17:04:23 GMT
What amp do you use live?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 17:15:42 GMT
You might be onto something though MartinB if this little comment from The Gear Page is anything to go by: "I'm not a builder, but I own three JFET pedals (OLC/ROG stuff), and have owned and modded several opamp/diode clippers (extensively with the SD-1). I do think the JFETs sounds more natural and sweeter than the opamp pedals I've worked with. But, JFETs don't automatically sound good - you have to get the circuit right and they have to be biased properly. It helps to try out different kinds of JFETs to see how they sound. Like tubes, some JFETs have more gain than others. Also, the specs vary quite a bit even within the same model number. So they're not as convenient to work with as a simple TS style circuit. I think opamp/diode clipper circuits work well into hot amps, while the JFET stuff sounds great even into clean amps. But that's my subjective opinion based on my limited experience. It's not that opamps are bad (some opamps even contain JFETs - like the TL08x series), but I think the discreet components usually sound better. Actually a component is only as good as the circuit design. But I prefer a well-designed circuit built around FETS to one build around op amps." I'm still going to try a lot of stacking to get my distortion into a clean amp - or at least an amp with just my boost pedal mildly adding it's charm as an always on pedal. This way I may be able to get a lovely new sound for me which isn't also a volume jump. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 17:18:51 GMT
I use a variety of amps live MartinB, a Bugera V22, a Peavey Classic 30 or a Katana 50, or even increasingly I am going direct to the PA a through my American Sound pedal. This is also why I'm thinking of moving away from something that drives pre amp tubes...there may be no pre amp tubes! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 17:42:42 GMT
Ooh, I just discovered that a GENUINE OCD pedal works this way, "The OCD accomplishes its tube-like distortion through the unusual combination of overdriving its JFET opamp, and then hard-clipping with a pair of MOSFETs later on in the circuit." This may explain why I am really mostly liking my OCD clone! Now this clone may very well not be doing it the same way as the genuine OCD does it and I may be missing something there but it's clearly in the right ballpark judging by various comparison videos I've listened to and my own ears with my gear. It sounds as though I may be best pursuing what my clone can do and, if I feel something is missing, comparing it's circuit. If it is lacking those JFETS and MOSFETS (and it probably is) it might be worth me taking the plunge on a genuine OCD - but which version?  Thank you MartinB . Good shout, you clever chap. |
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Post by MartinB on Oct 18, 2020 18:19:57 GMT
Happy to be of help  |
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Post by MartinB on Oct 18, 2020 18:37:05 GMT
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