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Post by ddcaster on Jan 31, 2016 12:01:07 GMT
ddcaster Did you ever get any resolution? My te 70 had ceramic pickups and so have many others. I complained and they sent me a new set of the advertised alnico WVTN / B Pickups. But obviously that was an individual solution. Since then they have changed the specs of the pickups, but they still say alnico. But these Pickups look slightly different at least the bridge pickup. In Nickinthestates' Video you can See that. There are 3 "holes" in the plastic pickup cover, the old pickups did not look like that. So it might be alnicos now, but no WVTN pups. Someone must just have a look under the pickguard. Here is another example of the te70 with ceramic pickups... So my guitar was probably no exception... insert code here
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Post by nghtlght on Jan 31, 2016 16:43:53 GMT
... that sounds OK, and the answer came quick, which is a very good thing and shows that Thomann is taking that seriously...but actually my thread was not about the humbuckers, because it is very hard to find out about those in reality (in my personal opinion it does not as much a difference with humbuckers as with single coils...) And for the single coils the specs with the tellies have changed and here Thoman is using a model description (MWT...C/N/B) which is on other websides definately ceramic (http://www.eyguitarmusic.com/Wilkinson-MWTN-Telecaster-Neck-PickupChrome-CoverCeramic_p_1134.html). Even if you have a look at the product pictures you can see that they have built in the MWTN and B which are definately ceramic. That's the confusing thing and I just wanted to know what other users have in their tellies and strats. Hi DDcaster, Have you seen in any source that the MWTC pickups are indeed ceramic? I could find the info about the N/B versions in other sites, but never any reference to the MWTC (besides in thomman website). NL
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Post by ddcaster on Jan 31, 2016 18:44:17 GMT
No, not really...but as I said there are Wilkinson ceramic Pickups which are called MWTN and MWTB for neck N and bridge B. Have alook at the vintage tele v 52 and v 62 at Thomann. www.thomann.de/de/vintage_icon_v52mrbs.htm Ihttp://www.thomann.de/de/vintage_icon_v52mrbs.htm They are not classified as alnico in the specs . I don't think that Thomann has special Wilkinsons for the HB (MWTC = MWTN + MWTB??) I am just a bit sceptical after my own experience but still keep in mind we are talking about guitars for 149 or 129 € which are nevertheless fantastic. I guess you can only be sure if some HB Club members check their teles. Maybe nickinthestates can help with his te 70
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Post by fixxxerjh on Feb 1, 2016 3:55:08 GMT
If you checked the resistance while the pups still soldered to the pots, then you measure can't be right Not when you go right to the winding wires with the pick-up deselected on the switch.
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Post by nghtlght on Feb 1, 2016 15:38:35 GMT
I had some further information from Thomann, regarding the pickups. According to the sales department, the mwtc pickups are AlNiCo: "Alnico pickups This is the specs for TE-80: With best regards" Take it with a grain of salt, but that is the official position from Thomann, at this point. Best, NL
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Post by ddcaster on Feb 1, 2016 15:44:32 GMT
Are you talking about the Te 80 or Te 70? The Te 80 is a totally different guitar with Stratocaster Pickups.
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Post by nghtlght on Feb 1, 2016 16:33:06 GMT
Are you talking about the Te 80 or Te 70? The Te 80 is a totally different guitar with Stratocaster Pickups. Actually I'm talking in general, because, as you can see in thomann websiute, the reference for the pickups in both guitars is the same - MWTC. The only diference is the reference to either "Alnico Vintage Singlecoil Pickups" in the case of TE-80, or "Alnico vintage TE -style singlecoil pickups" in the case of TE-70 (and TE-52). I suspect that MWTC refers to a line of pickups, because they must be, indeed, different in construction (Strat vs Tele PUs). You can observe that they mention both TE-80 and TE-52 in that table, as guitars with those pickups. Best, NL
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Post by oghkhood on Feb 1, 2016 22:09:55 GMT
The problem is that Thomann guitar sheets are not alwas as acurate as we would wish them to be.
And Wilkinson site data sheets are themeselves incomplete. However, most (not all) of the pups under the brand Wilkinson appear to have ceramic magnets
To make it short : these information are not as reliable as we need them.
Actually, the only thing that seem to be coming true about TE80 pups is the mention of Stratocaster pups
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Post by nghtlght on Feb 3, 2016 11:16:07 GMT
The problem is that Thomann guitar sheets are not alwas as acurate as we would wish them to be. And Wilkinson site data sheets are themeselves incomplete. However, most (not all) of the pups under the brand Wilkinson appear to have ceramic magnets To make it short : these information are not as reliable as we need them. Actually, the only thing that seem to be coming true about TE80 pups is the mention of Stratocaster pups I actually agree with you. I just don't understand the reason why thomann would not provide accurate info about this matter - (at least) with single coil pickups (strat and tele) it is (relatively) easy to verify if they are ceramic or not: ceramic bar glued in the bottom of the pickup (there ave very few pickups with ceramic poles). I would say that advertising a guitar with AlNiCo (single coil) PUs when they are indeed ceramic is just asking for substancial expenses in post cost when the costumers start to return the items. Best, NL
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Post by oghkhood on Feb 3, 2016 11:49:08 GMT
This is true for sigle coils. But hb magets a in bar form be they ceramic or alnico ... and that makes the change from ceramic to alnico vrey easy in some cases.
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Post by DefJef on Feb 3, 2016 14:23:58 GMT
If you checked the resistance while the pups still soldered to the pots, then you measure can't be right I'm told by Ironstone pickups that measuring the pickups at the jack socket (assuming you have the volume and tone controls up on full) is normally accurate to within 100 Ohms or so. Sorry to quote myself but I've just taken a pickup out of the neck of my strat. On the jack it measured 5.7K now it's out it measures 6K exactly. So its about 95% accurate.
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Post by oyobass on Mar 27, 2017 19:23:03 GMT
Okay, I didn't notice that this was a "thing" before... I'll be checking the pickups in my TE-70 after work tonight!
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Post by oyobass on Mar 31, 2017 20:55:04 GMT
Okay, I didn't notice that this was a "thing" before... I'll be checking the pickups in my TE-70 after work tonight! Still intend to check these out... Maybe this weekend?
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Post by oghkhood on Apr 2, 2017 6:03:37 GMT
Maybe this would appear a bit arrogant, but, I really did never had a good feeling with any Wilkinson pup I had or tried, be they tagged alnico or not.
Thus, I have decided for long that I would systematically swap the pups on any hb guitar I have, and I must say that it has always been an improvement, for these guitars just deserve better pups
Last one was a partcaster made of a TE52 body and TE70 neck, on which I installed a set of ACII Tonerider pickups.
But be carefull as "better" pickup won't always lead to "better sounding". For instance, I had a CST24-HB on wich I installed a Duesenberg set of Domino + Crunchbucker. And despite the pups quality - you can find these on 3000+ € guitars ! - it was not that satifying. I also had a nice pair (acquired for about 50€) of PAF type humbuckers to try, and these ones gave all what I expected.
What I mean is that even if I consider that there is a lower limit under wich the pup quality is an issue, there is no real rule saying what model of pickups can fit the best to a guitar. And your ears will always make a better choice than the money or the ohmmeter
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