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Post by ddcaster on Jan 19, 2016 16:16:46 GMT
I have the impression that the Harley Benton telecasters and some stratocasters are no longer equipped with wilkinson alnicos. The Te-70 rosewood and the Te -52 have the MVTN and MVTB pickups which are ceramic... (but in the product description of the Te 52 they are called alnico which is not really true). They both used to have alnicos (at least in the product information WVTN,WVTB) ... The Vintage V-52 and V-62 do have the same ceramic pickups now and they used to have the more expensive Korean made alnicos before. Trevor Wilkinson uses the alnicos only in his more expensive Fretking brand. This does not mean that the ceramic pickups are crap, but it really looks like Thomann is saving production costs... which is a kind of 'downgrading' for the customer...What about your HB Tellies... What kind of pickups do they have?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 16:46:26 GMT
Wasn't it you who got the rosewood tele with ceramic pickups even though the description sais they are alnico? An if I remember correctly you complained about it to Thoamnn and they gave you alnico pups for free, right?
Thats a bad thing to say one thing and sell another. I usually write to Thomann when I see mistakes. I cant see how Chinese made Alnico can be more expensive since they dont use pure quality metals for the Alnico magnets (so I've heard)
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Post by ddcaster on Jan 19, 2016 16:56:16 GMT
As replacement parts the ceramics cost about 1/2 or even 1/3 of the prize you pay for the alnicos. You can also find only the original alnicos in the official jhs catalogue. At least some of the pups are definately made in Korea and not China. But maybe Wilkinson just doesn't produce alnicos for this price range anymore. But nevertheless even the ceramic single coils are way better than other pups in this price range.
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Post by johnman on Jan 19, 2016 18:17:20 GMT
Wow. I'm glad you posted this. I have an SC-Custom on the way, but I almost ordered a TE-52 also. The only reason I didn't was because the combined price was a bit too much. Without the alnico pickups, I wouldn't have even bothered because that was one BIG reason why I wanted the guitar. Between the changes, false advertising, and a few people getting a raw deal... I'm becoming more and more worried about my order. Not to mention, taking a chance and ordering again. What a bummer.
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Post by freekingprawn on Jan 19, 2016 18:32:26 GMT
damn... I like Wilkinson pups.
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Post by oghkhood on Jan 19, 2016 18:45:16 GMT
That's exactly the feeling I have.
30mn ago, I was testing the L550 Paradise of a friend. It sounded just as good as some of my guitars that are more than 3 time the price. Nothing like this with my CST24-HB and it's ceramic pups
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Post by rockbadger on Jan 19, 2016 18:53:03 GMT
Nothing like this with my CST24-HB and it's ceramic pups Confused by this - what do you mean about the CST24HB? That it didn't sound as good as the L550?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 19:14:24 GMT
Its easy to see a difference between ceramic and alnico single coil pups but how do you see if a humbucker is ceramic or alnico?
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Post by oghkhood on Jan 19, 2016 20:57:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 21:45:13 GMT
Those damn Harley Benton guitars lets burn them at the stake! Lets go buy some Gibson and US Fender instead Just joking. Sure its annoying when such mistakes in describing happen but man even with those mistakes no one can beat their price for the quality one gets and Im talking about the guitar body/neck and in MOST cases the finish is just superb Hardware can be on the cheap side, electronics might be also, and pickups especially the neck pup but all these can be modded and even with the mod cost these guitars are cheaper than a well known brand. I am glad Harley Benton exists, without it I would have still played only on my cheap Cataluna classical guitar
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Post by musiker01 on Jan 19, 2016 22:26:04 GMT
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Post by reling on Jan 19, 2016 23:15:26 GMT
>snip< Sure its annoying when such mistakes in describing happen but man even with those mistakes no one can beat their price for the quality one gets >snip< With other words, you are saying "as long as it is cheap it isn't important what we get for our money". Sorry - I strongly disagree. If Thomann says a guitar has alnicos and I get ceramics, that's not okay. This is a very bad tendency and it can be very dangerous for Thomann. Harley Benton was just getting a better respected image in the guitar world. And now such crap happens. That can ruin everything which has been accomplished over the last two, three years.
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Post by oghkhood on Jan 20, 2016 6:48:26 GMT
Yes Reling, this is THE point.
Doesn't matter the price, a seller should never give wrong information to his customers. And if that happens, he must not hide his mistake. It is a question of confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 8:57:53 GMT
Guys did you write an email to Thomann asking about explanation? Did they tell you why they "deliberatly" lie to you? Or is it just a human error which can be fixed once someone tells them about it?
Thomann had an option on each page, at the bottom, called 'Your Feedback' and when you click on it;
"Found an error or want to give us feedback about this page?
We're looking forward to hearing from you and aim to solve any problems as soon as we can."
reling, your guitar used to be sold with Burns pups until someone told them that those were not Burns at all and they change that. Its a huge operation and human error is normal. I worked as a sales man for many years and I too made such mistakes but once I notice them or a customers tells me about it I rectify it as soon as possible.
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Post by oghkhood on Jan 20, 2016 10:19:59 GMT
Yes I did it several times.
Last in the begining of Dec 2015. I clearly advised them with the problem of alnico/ceramic, giving also the model names. And also advisng them that this may lead to legal problems in several countries.
I never received any answer
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