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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 8, 2019 17:04:48 GMT
That's probably a digital version of the model, together with its human readable translation,
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Post by Vincent on Apr 8, 2019 18:46:46 GMT
This is a complete mess. I fail to understand how the person who installed the frets must have seen the damage to the board and said nothing. The person who installed the tuners must have seen the damage to the board and said nothing. The person who installed the strings must have seen the damage to the board and said nothing. The person who signed the Quality Control Inspection Card (if it has one) must have seen the damage to the board (assuming it was ever looked at) and said nothing. Why is nobody saying anything?
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Apr 8, 2019 19:36:29 GMT
This is a complete mess. I fail to understand how the person who installed the frets must have seen the damage to the board and said nothing. The person who installed the tuners must have seen the damage to the board and said nothing. The person who installed the strings must have seen the damage to the board and said nothing. The person who signed the Quality Control Inspection Card (if it has one) must have seen the damage to the board (assuming it was ever looked at) and said nothing. Why is nobody saying anything? Probably to meet orders/demand. Get them out even the duds at least the oder deadline/number is met. Argue about quality later.
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Post by Vincent on Apr 8, 2019 19:58:17 GMT
This is a complete mess. I fail to understand how the person who installed the frets must have seen the damage to the board and said nothing. The person who installed the tuners must have seen the damage to the board and said nothing. The person who installed the strings must have seen the damage to the board and said nothing. The person who signed the Quality Control Inspection Card (if it has one) must have seen the damage to the board (assuming it was ever looked at) and said nothing. Why is nobody saying anything? Probably to meet orders/demand. Get them out even the duds at least the oder deadline/number is met. Argue about quality later. When the orders stop there will be nothing to argue about.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Apr 8, 2019 20:03:01 GMT
Probably to meet orders/demand. Get them out even the duds at least the oder deadline/number is met. Argue about quality later. When the orders stop there will be nothing to argue about. p90 There are always tears at the end!
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Post by Vincent on Apr 8, 2019 20:10:33 GMT
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Post by Vincent on Apr 8, 2019 20:13:33 GMT
I don't know, Thomann it's becoming like Amazon is raising prices because many are buying, but the quality of services is decreasing, maybe I wasn't wrong when I said enough with Harley benton, but now if this goes on, Thomann will be enough. Now that have a prs se std i am even more convinced that hb is good only for playing and at most with 100/120 euro instruments. I would never buy an esy42 signature for 400 euros they are really crazy in my opinion, or maybe too smart because they continue to produce new models, is it possible that nobody notices? At end can confirm that all YouTube test are probably fake almost for the quality check shame about the sound is good in relation to the price but how long will a cardboard guitar last? Just send the thing back and enjoy the others guitars that you got this week.
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Apr 8, 2019 20:22:55 GMT
It does seem certain batches are less than good quality, I'm not sure but I read Thomann use up to 20 different factories. This could be BS? It does make me wonder how many far east guitar factories there are? In the perfect world Thomann would have a factory that was reliable in both quality and price but this appears difficult to deliver.
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 9, 2019 1:19:40 GMT
Probably to meet orders/demand. Get them out even the duds at least the oder deadline/number is met. Argue about quality later. When the orders stop there will be nothing to argue about. Let me guess. Thomann wants cheap products. Manufacturer decides to build in the crappy material they got to avoid a loss or increase profit. Based on previously positive results, Thomann has reduced the effort spent on checking that model to save on controlling cost and keep the product cheap. Bad batch with crappy material comes through unchecked to customer, who then uses the return policy. That's how Thomann becomes aware of the bad batch. Cheaper is risky. If you want the cheapest stuff, be prepared to face the realities of cost reduction. If you want quality stuff, be prepared to pay for it. Cheapskates who want everything for nothing are not customers worth having anyway.
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 9, 2019 1:21:20 GMT
It does seem certain batches are less than good quality, I'm not sure but I read Thomann use up to 20 different factories. This could be BS? It does make me wonder how many far east guitar factories there are? In the perfect world Thomann would have a factory that was reliable in both quality and price but this appears difficult to deliver. Perfection doesn't come cheap. Get real.
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 9, 2019 1:28:15 GMT
This is true, but replacing a faulty guitar with a worse one because it's not controlled is stupid or does Thomann believe they all are blinds ? This is the actual fault. Replacements ought to be checked but then, this is yet another cost saving measure. Let's face it: these prices do not pay for a secure quality level. We are lucky when we get it and the return policy allows us to try our luck at a cost we know. This cost is none in Germany and I read it is so for the rest of Europe (to be confirmed, though). We can stamp our feet and turn red all we want demanding more quality, the hard truth is that it comes at an extra cost we'd have to pay for.
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Post by LeoThunder on Apr 9, 2019 1:32:16 GMT
At end can confirm that all YouTube test are probably fake almost for the quality check shame about the sound is good in relation to the price but how long will a cardboard guitar last? Oh, it's cardboard now? I guess they failed to update the web site again… Yeah, all reviews are fake and paid for. Sure.
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Post by Vincent on Apr 9, 2019 7:11:30 GMT
When the orders stop there will be nothing to argue about. Let me guess. Thomann wants cheap products. Manufacturer decides to build in the crappy material they got to avoid a loss or increase profit. Based on previously positive results, Thomann has reduced the effort spent on checking that model to save on controlling cost and keep the product cheap. Bad batch with crappy material comes through unchecked to customer, who then uses the return policy. That's how Thomann becomes aware of the bad batch. Cheaper is risky. If you want the cheapest stuff, be prepared to face the realities of cost reduction. If you want quality stuff, be prepared to pay for it. Cheapskates who want everything for nothing are not customers worth having anyway. When there is a Quality Control Inspection Card supplied with the product this indicates that it was actually checked. It means the price we pay, as low as it may be, covers the cost of a real hands-on inspection. And the customer has every right to expect this has been done. It is not a case of wanting everything for nothing at all. And I genuinely do not believe Thomann would ever think of their customers as being cheapkates and not worth having.
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