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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 27, 2018 12:19:32 GMT
Is that the guy who took a chainsaw to a SC-450plus on account of it having sub-optimally drilled bridge stud-holes? Seemed a tad extreme. Clearly not motivated by money. Maybe it's notoriety he's after? Yes that would be him I saw some of the chainsaw video. Not one of his better ones. Chainsaws are terribly hard to keep in tune
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Post by Vincent on Aug 27, 2018 12:29:16 GMT
LeoThunder They have a built in full on overdriven fuzz effect so nobody will notice. Except for yourself of course
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 28, 2018 5:17:10 GMT
Question is this a deal breaker...Should a send my back? It depends on the deal you made. If you can tell the difference and it bothers you, you know the answer but if you can't, why should it matter? I'll admit I dislike the idea of a generic photo replacing a unique piece of wood, no matter how thin. I took time to compare different videos showing the recent Fusion and Dynamic models to see if they were distinct from one another. They are, so that requirement is fulfilled as far as I am concerned but isn't it a little petty when we are talking about 160€ guitars like the SC-450 Plus? What remains is the knowledge of being lied to. I don't know anyone who hasn't been lying to me in some form, consciously or not. Is finding a better liar a good thing?
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 28, 2018 9:00:34 GMT
A false logo is a blatant lie in that it labels something as what it isn't. A flame photo is not. It does not claim to be anything, no more than golden hardware pretends to be real gold. It sits there looking as good as it can in its flat, two-dimensional guise and that's the extent of it. It is exactly as a cheap pick-up showing the same pole pieces and plastic cover but not sounding quite the same as those on a Fender.
The description on the web site as an "AAA Flame Maple Top" on the other hand, is a lie.
Now I'm going to paint a Thunder logo on my Wild Strat…
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Post by salteedog on Aug 28, 2018 9:12:45 GMT
It's of more importance for those new fusion models which are priced at over €300. Apart from stainless steel frets what are folks paying for if it's not the fancy quilted tops etc.?
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 28, 2018 9:34:50 GMT
It's of more importance for those new fusion models which are priced at over €300. Apart from stainless steel frets what are folks paying for if it's not the fancy quilted tops etc.? It seems to be failed since about everyone complains about those tops not looking as good as they hoped. So I doubt this was of any importance in the mind of those who designed this model. They really went for the "pro" features, which in my opinion are hyped, the vibrato system and maybe for the pick-ups, which seem to be sounding nice enough. With "nice" I mean in a modern way, not as an imitation of past, "vintage" limitations (colouration). They also had the good sense to offer coil split for versatility. The HH models will also bring an affordable Floyd Rose, which ought to be interesting if it is good enough. I must say, however and after giving the matter some thought, that I would rather go for the Ibanez Edge Zero version which balances on a ball bearing rather than a knife (which wears out with time) and comes with an extra invention for a better balancing between strings. This is on offer in their Standard models, still over the HB prices, though (482€ for the S520).
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Post by Vincent on Aug 28, 2018 11:10:23 GMT
It's of more importance for those new fusion models which are priced at over €300. Apart from stainless steel frets what are folks paying for if it's not the fancy quilted tops etc.? I have watched Henning's Fusion demos and I don't think he has even mentioned that they have stainless steel frets.
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Post by r3v3nt0n on Aug 28, 2018 11:32:20 GMT
Question is this a deal breaker...Should a send my back? It depends on the deal you made. If you can tell the difference and it bothers you, you know the answer but if you can't, why should it matter? I'll admit I dislike the idea of a generic photo replacing a unique piece of wood, no matter how thin. I took time to compare different videos showing the recent Fusion and Dynamic models to see if they were distinct from one another. They are, so that requirement is fulfilled as far as I am concerned but isn't it a little petty when we are talking about 160€ guitars like the SC-450 Plus? What remains is the knowledge of being lied to. I don't know anyone who hasn't been lying to me in some form, consciously or not. Is finding a better liar a good thing? I was thinking more like being made out of plastic. I am quite aware of not being a real flame maple top, but If on the official Thomann site a they say it's an arched top 'AAA flamed maple', I would at least expect a maple cap with maybe a thin flame veneer but not in any way a plastic cap.
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Post by MartinB on Aug 28, 2018 11:50:47 GMT
I do have a bit of an issue with Thomann’s descriptions I ordered one of their strats based on the spec listed on the site. Once the order was placed and payment received I got a completely different spec listed on the item that was being shipped.
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Post by Vincent on Aug 28, 2018 12:07:25 GMT
I agree the video is inconclusive. Maybe you can speak to Lasse about the Fusion models also? When showing the prototypes to Cory it was said that they will come with real veneers. Following the release of this series there has been some speculation that they could be photo applied. A real veneer could arguably be both plastic and wooden. I think customers would like to know for certain what they are getting.
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Post by DefJef on Aug 28, 2018 12:11:37 GMT
I do have a bit of an issue with Thomann’s descriptions I ordered one of their strats based on the spec listed on the site. Once the order was placed and payment received I got a completely different spec listed on the item that was being shipped. Yep, they really need to sort this issue out too. I can accept that a photo won't be the guitar that you will receive and even that it may be for 'illustrative purposes only'. That's partly why the Distance Selling Act came in; to protect consumers from receiving something they are not expecting based on a visual image. But descriptions really ought to be right, especially if we cannot tell what spec we are receiving from our own visual clues or knowledge. LeoThunder may stress that it doesn't matter if we can't tell but that's the defence that charlatans and con men would use in court and it would be thrown out. Our shopping tends to be based on a great deal of research and comparison...or a total gut reaction after a beer session...and will also involve us weighing up our bank balance. We ought to be able to trust a seller based in the EU to describe their products accurately and not for them simply to fall back on the 'well you can return it if you don't like it' policy which they have to provide by EU law anyway. Even Aliexpress have offered me protection from a misdescribed item and I ended up with a free mp3 player because I could not record on it. With that kind of support we may as well risk China and their 'what they don't know won't hurt them' warranty.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 28, 2018 12:22:09 GMT
Videos by different people have shown that the tops of the Fusion and Dynamic models are not identical when comparing the same model in the same colour. It speaks for a veneer, unless we are seeing a collection of photos applied in a cyclic way to give the impression that they are unique. I doubt the latter but it barely matters. I have heard several people comment on how these tops lack the impression of depth provided by more expensive products and to me the material they are made of no longer matters once I am presented with its relatively poor performance. The same way, if pick-ups sound bad, a confirmation that they are real AlNiCo 3, 5 or 7.2 doesn't help.
The real message here is that the stuff doesn't look good enough and thanks to our favourite Youtubers, it has been passed on already. I would like to say they look too pale, which is the impression I get from all videos I see. I hoped to put the blame on the lighting of the Thomann office in Cory's interview but it was confirmed and maybe this is all coming from some very thin veneer. Ironically, a photo might look better.
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