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Post by salteedog on Aug 28, 2018 16:29:56 GMT
Anyway isn't the owner on this forum? Paging johnnyatm or ajbcc2 (can't recall which one of you identified as the maker of the video?).
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 28, 2018 16:32:05 GMT
The lower horn is very round in this video. While the video is low quality, I can't see any figure. The gentleman in the video even says it's very faint. If it were a "photo top" why would it have no figure? There's a very pertinent point here. A photo would not be of a "very faint" flame. It would be of a prime specimen.
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Post by intenselycalm on Aug 28, 2018 16:36:41 GMT
salteedog , Sorry, i just removed that part from my post, it was confusing to me as well. I was wondering if this is an older HB guitar, with a new HB logo applied to it. When I sanded my SC 400, the headstock logo came right off, It had very little topcoat. I rather expect the same finish on new HB's as well. So I'm rather surprised to see an original "New" logo on the headstock with all that sanding and mods going on. Made me wonder if it is a new logo application, possibly to an older model HB... (I put the new logo on my older TE-20...)
Okay, that is still pretty confusing. So, back to the plastic top question... what is that body cap made of? Very interesting guitar.
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Post by salteedog on Aug 28, 2018 18:09:06 GMT
Aha....what's the chances that we have two guitar modding jedis here - both of whom elected to put a fake but typographically correct HB logo onto their guitars?
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Post by intenselycalm on Aug 28, 2018 18:32:27 GMT
Also - does that look like a short tenon in the guitar? My old L-400 has a long tenon and I assumed all the HBs had long tenons. salteedog It looks like it is missing the short tenon also. Like there is a hole for the tenon, but the neck doesn't have one. The shadow appears to drop into the tenon hole. Hmm.
I keep re-watching the video, over and over, looking for more little clues.
The suspense is killing me!
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Post by Vincent on Aug 28, 2018 21:18:03 GMT
What is that material peeling off inside the neck pickup cavity? I cannot make it out. It looks like a piece of film or something.
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Post by Vincent on Aug 28, 2018 21:54:24 GMT
Good of Lasse to respond quickly. Thank you DefJef.
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Post by DefJef on Aug 28, 2018 22:50:07 GMT
Also - does that look like a short tenon in the guitar? My old L-400 has a long tenon and I assumed all the HBs had long tenons. salteedog It looks like it is missing the short tenon also. Like there is a hole for the tenon, but the neck doesn't have one. The shadow appears to drop into the tenon hole. Hmm.
I keep re-watching the video, over and over, looking for more little clues.
The suspense is killing me!
That looks like what Gibbo owners call a 'modified long tenon' or 'transitional tenon'. Neither long nor short, just a change in construction order so a long tenon cut off. Short is not visible in the pickup rout. Like this: A long tenon has the neck fixed to the body and THEN has the rout cut thereby flattening the floor of the rout by taking off a bit of the tenon from above. If the rout is cut before the neck is fixed then, because of the angled back neck joint, the tenon would stick up into the pickup rout leaving the floor unlevel. By shortening the tenon joint this doesn't become an issue.
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Post by LeoThunder on Aug 29, 2018 0:02:23 GMT
Well then, I have it confirmed from Lasse that they only use 2.5mm flame maple veneer for the top for all of their SC-450plus models. No foto flames. Good. Interesting in that 2.5 mm do not strike me as so thin that one would sand through them without seeing that transition but then I know nothing about sanding. The author of the video does not say there is no veneer, this is only something I inferred from the low resolution image showing what looks like a smooth transition. He merely asks if the flame figuration has been treated into that plastic looking white material but large areas of pale orange between the white and the original colour appear to be the transition through that thickness. I'm afraid I was the one who came up with a hasty suspicion.
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Post by r3v3nt0n on Aug 29, 2018 12:11:45 GMT
I also noticed that guitar in the video is a suspicious looking one. It has a new HB logo and a VT series truss rod cover, but also a modified top of the head. Which might suggest something else could bee quite as well modified on that neck. And the cutaway horn doesn't look like a SC450 at all. He does say that underneath of what he call plastic is a 'their form of maple'. Question is what really is on top of that cap. Could be a wood base paint?
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Post by intenselycalm on Aug 29, 2018 14:36:59 GMT
The suspense is killing me!
That looks like what Gibbo owners call a 'modified long tenon' or 'transitional tenon'. Neither long nor short, just a change in construction order so a long tenon cut off. Short is not visible in the pickup rout. Like this: A long tenon has the neck fixed to the body and THEN has the rout cut thereby flattening the floor of the rout by taking off a bit of the tenon from above. If the rout is cut before the neck is fixed then, because of the angled back neck joint, the tenon would stick up into the pickup rout leaving the floor unlevel. By shortening the tenon joint this doesn't become an issue. DefJef, great image. Thanks for sharing that.
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Post by intenselycalm on Aug 29, 2018 16:17:29 GMT
It is sad that the neck set can be so sloppy. Great image to illustrating what gets done at times. Especially the "short" tenon photo = WOW! Bolt on necks are looking better all the time.
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