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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 13:05:59 GMT
Yes, sure to be a cost issue blindwilly3fingers . Perhaps dual gang pots are harder to source cheaply for them than the the other two pots are? Like trying to find cheap push-push pots. Yes they seem to concur that it's pretty faithful and tries to do the Klon Centaur thing in the same way. One thing I keep finding Klon lovers saying is that they work best if your amp is turned up to edge of breakup first. This seems to be the opposite of what inventor Bill was trying to do. He wanted to get THAT sound at lower volumes. Certainly I cannot dream of turning my amps up to the edge of breakup before switching on my Pegasus to overdrive and boost the front end too. I can't turn my amp up that far WITHOUT boosting it and not expect a visit from the neighbours! Perhaps I need a much tinier amp? |
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 20, 2020 17:48:17 GMT
My amp (joyo Bantamp)
is a lot simpler than yours @dafjef only ganin tone and vol controls and a toggle switch for clean or distortion channel. I tend to use little gain on the amp and more gain on the klone at lower volumes. The little Bugera I have has bass, treble, gain and vol controls a button labled gain (obviously the dirty channel) and a shift button which I presume is a mid cut? I never use it. I preety much set the tone/EQ flat and add flavour fron the klone and other pedals.
I'm not sure that's what your supposed to do but it works for me. 😉 Much like yourself you couldn't be in the same room comfortably at full vol or even close to it. My amps are only 20watt and 15watt and that is enough to upset the people across the road (cul de sac) let alone my immediate neighbours! 🙉
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 18:16:17 GMT
I don't think I've found a tube amp that you COULD turn up to edge of breakup without annoying the neighbours. Even 1 watt is plenty loud enough to bring them knocking. Then again, even trialing the Pegasus in my office with nobody to annoy, 22watts of Bugera on the edge of breakup is too much for ME  . I've had the permission and details to return it so I'll have to decide soon. If that Pure Sky would just turn up I could A/B them. I'm terrible for hanging on to equipment that I have no use or love for. I should have got rid of my Les Paul and Blackstar Dual Overdrive ages ago but I always think they might be perfect for a certain niche sound. They never are.  |
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Post by MartinB on Oct 20, 2020 18:24:41 GMT
Despite having a lovely tube amp I rarely use it for the volume troubles you guys describe. And it's just rated at 5W, I find I use my little Fender SS for the clean and then I have my Blues driver for an OD sound, Biyang Mouse for a distortion sound and 2 fuzz pedals to choose from. It's a shame as the Laney is a great sounding amp, it's just too much  |
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 20, 2020 18:57:07 GMT
It would have been interesting to hear the timmy clone against the klone @defjef. I would liked to hear your findings on that but if you got to send it back. We'll make do with your observations on the timmy clone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 19:09:14 GMT
So many of us want different things from our guitars. Some want to play solo in their living room to no backing at all. Others want to do the same but to some sort of backing music, others still are looking at how to record whilst further still some just want a decent live setup. I doubt much equipment will suit all of these scenarios. One big mistake I see repeated is for someone to get a great sound solo and for it to be hopeless in a mix or live at a venue. Further to that I see people get a great room sound but then just close mic their amp and wonder why it sounds so bad!
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Post by MartinB on Oct 20, 2020 22:11:49 GMT
So many of us want different things from our guitars. Some want to play solo in their living room to no backing at all. Others want to do the same but to some sort of backing music, others still are looking at how to record whilst further still some just want a decent live setup. I doubt much equipment will suit all of these scenarios. One big mistake I see repeated is for someone to get a great sound solo and for it to be hopeless in a mix or live at a venue. Further to that I see people get a great room sound but then just close mic their amp and wonder why it sounds so bad! Funnily enough at the moment when I play in the online music shed I just play my Danelectro unplugged, the other guys can hear it clearly enough. In the golden age, back when people could meet up in spaces I would just play clean through the Fender SS, I was just joining in with rhythm though, they're having me play more leads now (the fools xD) so it could be that when we come back into playing in a room with each other I bring my blues driver along just to pop out a little more. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 22:25:23 GMT
It would have been interesting to hear the timmy clone against the klone @defjef . I would liked to hear your findings on that but if you got to send it back. We'll make do with your observations on the timmy clone. Yeah shame it's not here yet. Maybe by next week there's a chance? I have done a lot of reading to try and fix my scenario and I do keep coming back an OCD pedal, designed to sit somewhere between an overdrive to boost a pre amp INTO distortion and distortion to provide its own tube-like sounding distortion which is what I really think I want. Also reading that when an OCD is used as a distortion it is best into a clean amp not a boosted one. I am also finding that Biyang EQ pedal to be a godsend in tweaking anything that's sounding a bit rubbish and sorting the levels out too. One noticeable thing that happened this evening was that when I switched off the Pegasus and anything else I was trying to stack with it, suddenly I loved the sound of just my amp better! That's not unusual though. I can't count the number of times I've watched a YouTube video and preferred the sound of somebody's amp BEFORE they've started demoing and raving over a pedal!  |
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 20, 2020 23:19:23 GMT
It really is a subjective thing, obviously for your wants and needs @defjef you got to get a sound that fits.
I'm not a lover of heavy distortion, I much prefer a a cleanish tone that gets raspy when you hit the strings harder. Which I can find reasonably easy with the klone. Our pre lockdown jam nights are sorely missed. One of my pals (who has played in quite a few band) usually would sort out volumes on the various ammps. And suggest if someone needed to adjust their sound. Obviously it's not a live gig situation but he does seem to get the sound of each player right. Then again he is the one directing who plays what part, I just do what I'm told. 🙄
I hope you find a solution, how did the a/b loop thingy work out?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 23:41:48 GMT
The A/B pedal worked in it's functionality by simply switching a whole stack of pedals in and out of the chain with one press. That was how I found that I preferred the sound of just my amp. It was such a relief. I just couldn't get a nice stacked sound at all. What you are saying about wanting just a bit of crunch with heavier playing sounds about right. That's sort of what I want for some rhythm work too but then need to avoid the volume jump for overdriven leads. Maybe that 'in the loop' volume pedal will come to some sort of rescue. It's such a nuisance that every sound I need seems to require a different volume level. If only the second channel on my Bugera provided the solution it would be a start. I could just press the channel selector pedal - it has it's own volume control. Unfortunately I've found that second channel to be raspy and unusable without a whole load of re eq-ing the amp! Oh I have thought of one stack that I forgot to try: Pegasus into fuzz. Must give that a go. Perhaps it will keep the fuzz sustaining a bit longer by pushing it a bit.  |
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Post by blindwilly3fingers on Oct 21, 2020 1:00:12 GMT
I've not tried anything into fuzz apart from clean boost and that was a bit too much for me. Might be OK if each note didn't seem like it lasted an hour. 🥴 🌪️
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 15:44:33 GMT
I enjoy the feeling of an eternal fuzz note. I tried the Peg into it and it was OK but using the Kokko Booster into it was better. Better still was an EQ pedal into it because I was able to find just the right frequency to boost and fuzz. Good fun. My cheap and tatty second hand low impedance pedal arrived for testing in the loop and, after a little spanner work on the item itself, it worked a treat! In fact it's proving to be a bit of an inspired decision. All the sound of a boosted preamp at whatever level I want it. Master volume at the rock of a treadle! It has a volume control on the side that allows me to set the MINIMUM volume I want it to cut off at so there is no chance of accidentally rolling off too much volume live. And it doesn't colour the sound I've set. Preamp overdrive remains but it just raises or lowers it's volume. Perfect. Set it to max for rhythm and min for leads - I know that sounds counterintuitive but since my overdriven boosted lead sound used to be MUCH louder than my rhythm one it actually is right. It probably won't last forever and will take a little getting used to. Eventually I may even swap to an on/off volume pedal - just a pot on a box - so there is a simpler on/off operation to carry out quickly. So far so good though. Here's the tatty thing.   |
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Post by MartinB on Oct 21, 2020 15:48:57 GMT
Ah Bespeco, my first wah pedal was one of theirs. Glad to hear you've found a solution.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 15:56:36 GMT
I already have a high impedance volume pedal from Bespeco and it's been great live after my Boss multifx. Looks like I'm now going to have the following bemusing choices: volume knob on guitar, volume pedal on the multifx for swells, overall volume control of the sound coming out of the multifx, volume control AFTER the pre amp...oh plus the amp's own channel and master volume controls...it's too much!  |
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Post by MartinB on Oct 21, 2020 16:38:51 GMT
That is a lot of volume control xD
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